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The number of lies spread about this case and how uncritically large parts of the population accept them have made me even more cynical. I didn't think that was possible.
It's been like watching people blasted by a firehose of bullshit and respond by puking what they swallowed into each other's mouths.
The messaging apparatus is shockingly effective, and I'm not sure if it's possible to do anything about it under our existing legal system.
And even if you do fix the problem at the source by abolishing "the innocent project" and their media accomplices, how do you even arrange your society recognizing that so many people are just blank canvases for propaganda?
His girlfriend never claimed the reward. She came forward after he was arrested because he had promised to kill her and her family if she told anyone.
No, a leftist 5th columnist elected in 2018 with no connection to the original case tried to ruin the already won case. You'll be shocked at who funded his campaign (no you won't)
Lies and liars make me angry. Any I notice go on a permanent list of irredeemable monsters. Every lie told about this case is so blatant and malicious I can't see any explanation except that they don't care about truth or even acknowledge the concept of it, and their only goal is to unleash murderers on the innocent.
We're now in a situation where both the public defenders and prosecutors are bought by the same leftist billionaire, and the entire justice system is a circus of sociopathic procedural manipulation to achieve political outcomes. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
First you actually teach them to evaluate evidence. This was one of the great shocks of Covid for me. Nobody could actually think with any coherence. Either the person seems to reflexively agree with the leadership or reflexively disagree with the leadership. Very few people were looking for alternatives, examining evidence, or even asking questions. It was just “the health department says X, so they must be right/wring,” and that was the end of it.
Some I think are incapable of such thoughts, and thus I think they probably should just obey/believe their betters. I’m not really sure exactly how many people are just too stupid to think for themselves, but it’s certainly a good number of people who no matter what you do will fall for propaganda.
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...the actual achieved outcome was that they executed the guy, no?
Did you research how they did it? The state AG's intervention was the only thing that stopped them from overturning the process from 1998.
The criminals, the media, the defense, and the prosecutors are all on the same side and all literally employed by the same leftist prison abolition groups, and the only people still opposing them are a handful of right wing politicians.
They're mostly succeeding in their goal of releasing violent criminals to kill again (see my link to the SC case), and the occasional failure just gives them more propaganda material.
It was a fair assumption that you were referring to the case in question where, again, the actual achieved outcome was that they executed the guy.
I am referring to the case here, where they would have gotten away with it if not for those meddling
kidsattorney general.One lucky wrench foiling an otherwise perfect plot just highlights how easily they usually get away with it without us ever hearing about it. Just check out the "success stories" on the innocence project site and read between the lines that all those guys were as guilty as this one.
They released 14% of the entire prison population in 2020 using covid as an excuse, and if you read that paper and don't acknowledge that their goal is total prison abolition I don't know what else to tell you.
And if you think they care about the concept of truth when it comes to lawfare, just check out the "disparities" section that starts
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The actual outcome was achieved years ago, and they were not capable of overturning it. Their efforts to overturn it bode ill for more recent cases, and especially for the cases they'll be initiating going forward. "Justice was served in this case because the people now in power did not have a time machine" is not a terribly reassuring summary.
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