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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 9, 2024

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Marriage simply is the exclusive conjugal union of a man and a woman, open to life, vowed till death do them part. It is a vocation, one of the schools of love that only some people are called to. A vocation creates the conditions of heroic self-sacrifice, so obviously not everyone can do it.

Well, in most Western democracies its the exclusive conjugal union of two adults, but I get what you're saying. The second sentence I completely agree with. Some people are either not fit for marriage or not called to it.

Even from a non-Christian sociological perspective, there is no reason to have a codified sexual-partnership without the potential to generate children. This used to be widely acknowledged and uncontroversial.

How would you feel if two asexual people got married and didn't have a kid through intercourse or adopt?

Well, in most Western democracies its the exclusive conjugal union of two adults,

I don't think I noticed what you meant by this the first time. Two adults can only have a conjugal union if they are of opposite sexes. They can only have their organs work together and perform the action that produces offspring if they are of opposite sex. That is what is meant by conjugal union. I don't care that many countries are using an absurd definition of marriage. I don't believe in "gay marriage." Whatever they are doing, it's not marriage as the word is understood by myself and everyone in history before the last thirty years. It's like "Trans-women are woman" to me.

Thank you for clarifying that. And to the rest of your comment, whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'm not going to try and change how you feel about it.

How would you feel if two asexual people got married and didn't have a kid through intercourse or adopt?

This would closely resemble a Josephite marriage, which still has the potential of one of the partners saying, "I feel called to have sex now" and then the other partner owes the marriage debt. It works because they can still perform the action (a conjugal relationship) that makes a marriage a marriage.

So it sounds like we have two definitions of marriage here: the legal and the spiritual/religious. If two people are legally married but are neither spiritual nor religious, what does it matter if they choose to never have sex?

Firstly, the original question was how, as a Christian, someone could reconcile Jesus' teachings with being against Gay marriage. So the conversation from the start was religious.

Second, I don't see the distinction in my response. If the couple is not religious and never chooses to have sex, it's the same. They are married because they can still perform the action (a conjugal relationship) that makes a marriage a marriage. (even if they never want to)

Firstly, the original question was how, as a Christian, someone could reconcile Jesus' teachings with being against Gay marriage. So the conversation from the start was religious.

You are correct. My apologies for diverging.

Second, I don't see the distinction in my response. If the couple is not religious and never chooses to have sex, it's the same. They are married because they can still perform the action (a conjugal relationship) that makes a marriage a marriage. (even if they never want to)

You're right. Upon a second glance, you didn't make that distinction.

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