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I don't really understand the theory that there isn't enough talent going into the QB position.
QB "busts" are still immensely talented athletes. It just happens that the particular combination of skills and experience required scale at a rate where you can really tell the difference between top 100 (plausible NFL backups), top 30 (plausible NFL starters), top 15, and top 5.
What I was trying to say is that it isn't lack of talent, but lack of training. Playing QB in college is obviously tough, but they're still just amateurs who are have only been playing competively for a few years. It's a totally different job being QB there, versus playing against top-tier adult professional in the big league. In college they can kind of coast on talent and instinct, but playing in the NFL requires specialized training that most people just don't get until they're already in the league, which is why you often see 1-st round draft picks flame out while later round picks require years to develop before eventually becoming ready for prime time.
Ah, absolutely, agree. The problem is the injuries. Not that you don't see injuries in soccer or baseball, but they're not expected in the same way they are in the NFL. Or teams aren't as risk-averse about injuries, which seems odd to say, but consider how many MiLB pitchers who never see the Show retire without their original elbow ligament, and nonetheless MLB teams will keep talented arms in the minors for years risking injury to develop their skills to a Major League level. Plenty of UEFA stars spend time lent out to other teams to build skill in real games, even with the risk of injury. By contrast, NFL QBs often get zero game time if they don't immediately seize a starting job in the NFL. Backup QBs in the NFL are the biggest waste of athleticism imaginable. Tanner McKee on the Eagles was a late round pick, but has shown flashes in the pre-season of ability, but outside of multiple injuries and a lost season for the team he might never see an NFL field.
Even the preseason has degraded to the point where it doesn't tell you much. Preseason games have gone from full contact games that don't count, to half-assed games where there's a lot of subs, to the starters play one or two series, to some starters don't play at all until the regular season. And we've seen the result this week where teams that don't play starters in the pre-season are sloppy and out of sorts to start the season. But coaches are risk averse and prefer to hide their starters, because losing a starter (or god forbid a starting QB) in the pre-season might cost you your season and your job, while teams come back from losing week 1 every year, and you can always blame bad luck for the loss anyway.
There's just no available method to develop a backup QB who doesn't get reps. Trey Lance is the prime example recently, but every year fantastically talented CFB athletes get drafted as backup QBs and fade into obscurity. There are better than a dozen QBs drafted every year, and no more than a few get any significant live reps. It's a conundrum.
A totally sociopathic, risk neutral, philosopher-king of a combined Owner/GM/Coach would be signing QBs every year and loaning them out to CFL teams. Or a risk-neutral league would support a minor league system where QBs could develop skills in real game time. It would be "worth it" for young guys to get the chance to play full speed and full contact and blossom, even if you lose 5 or 10 prospects to injury for every guy who reaches the NFL the value of an NFL QB is so high it would be "worth" it from the team's perspective. McKee might turn into something, but he won't do it in three scrimmage style pre-season games every year. This is one obvious area where the NFL is actually too soft and concerned with player injuries.
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