I think you might be putting too much weight on Germanic descent or identity? As I noted, we have Western European warrior-aristocrats (partially Germanic) behaving substantially similarly to Mycenaean warrior-aristocrats (not Germanic), and if you want I'm perfectly happy to extend the comparison to Chinese or Japanese or Nahua peoples, or really anything else you like. I think there's probably a successful warrior-aristocrat package, so to speak, which recurs even across very different ethnic contexts, and it doesn't descend linearly from a single ur-warrior group so much as it's convergent evolution or natural selection. Samurai have much of the same package despite no connection to any other groups we're considering.
That said, even if you think it's distinctively PIE or Germanic, that doesn't undermine the specific observation, as you grant - that Nietzsche's historical analogies are extremely strained and implausible. Neither Christians nor Greek pagans resemble his caricatures.
I think there's probably a successful warrior-aristocrat package, so to speak, which recurs even across very different ethnic contexts, and it doesn't descend linearly from a single ur-warrior group so much as it's convergent evolution or natural selection.
It could recur without being descended from an original ur package; but, in reality, it did just occur as a package. All horses are descended from proto-Indo-Iranian horses. Horses bred to be used for war in their chariots. This spread throughout Eurasia, horses and chariots together. It could have been invented independently, but it wasn't.
The Greeks and proto-Germans traded very heavily with each other something we have very clear archaeological evidence of. They, especially the Greeks, show heavy influence from the Indo-Iranian groups on the steppe, with certain grave goods found at their sites, and certain gods they worshipped.
The warrior aristocat was a thing created of a certain time and a certain place; and, we know that time and that place. Samurai still rode those horses of Indo-Iranian provenance. They also had contact with eastern steppe people who mostly copied the culture of the Indo-Iranian steppe people.
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I think you might be putting too much weight on Germanic descent or identity? As I noted, we have Western European warrior-aristocrats (partially Germanic) behaving substantially similarly to Mycenaean warrior-aristocrats (not Germanic), and if you want I'm perfectly happy to extend the comparison to Chinese or Japanese or Nahua peoples, or really anything else you like. I think there's probably a successful warrior-aristocrat package, so to speak, which recurs even across very different ethnic contexts, and it doesn't descend linearly from a single ur-warrior group so much as it's convergent evolution or natural selection. Samurai have much of the same package despite no connection to any other groups we're considering.
That said, even if you think it's distinctively PIE or Germanic, that doesn't undermine the specific observation, as you grant - that Nietzsche's historical analogies are extremely strained and implausible. Neither Christians nor Greek pagans resemble his caricatures.
It could recur without being descended from an original ur package; but, in reality, it did just occur as a package. All horses are descended from proto-Indo-Iranian horses. Horses bred to be used for war in their chariots. This spread throughout Eurasia, horses and chariots together. It could have been invented independently, but it wasn't.
The Greeks and proto-Germans traded very heavily with each other something we have very clear archaeological evidence of. They, especially the Greeks, show heavy influence from the Indo-Iranian groups on the steppe, with certain grave goods found at their sites, and certain gods they worshipped.
The warrior aristocat was a thing created of a certain time and a certain place; and, we know that time and that place. Samurai still rode those horses of Indo-Iranian provenance. They also had contact with eastern steppe people who mostly copied the culture of the Indo-Iranian steppe people.
It's horses all the way down.
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