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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 15, 2024

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There are no sources that specify, but even the mainstream apologists admit this team was never bigger than 60 to 80 people, which is less than 10% of your supposition. Jewish "witness" Richard Glazar said there were 25 people on this team.

You're assuming several things here.

  1. whoever who did the research didn't fuck it up.

  2. I'm going to believe you, a person who believes millions of Jews would have just 'left' eastern Europe and moved to ..Stalin's Russia, in the middle of a war, using some unprecedented system of cross-frontline movements, are just not making shit up, wholesale.

The aerial photographs that Mattogno mentions were taken by the Luftwaffe in May 1944, after the supposed cremation operations were over and the aerial photographs prove that there was no major tree felling in the vicinity of the camp.

You're showing a picture of a very tiny portion of the area.

https://en.mapy.cz/turisticka?q=treblinka&source=osm&id=40487565&ds=2&x=21.9935714&y=52.5758397&z=13

There is something like two dozen square kilometers of woods nearby. If you had trucks, you could easily get the equivalent of 2.7 square kilometers of clear-cut forest without even clearcutting anything. Furthermore, there's a railway line.

No contemporary reports or documentary evidence of this massive tree-felling and cremation operation whatsoever.

Funnily enough, the local railway was administered by an agent of the AK... who kept careful notes of the transports, AK forwarded them to London, and being the local boss, even apparently stole a part of the records to prove the cattle wagons that arrived full of Jews were returning empty.

No contemporary reports

Do you even speak Polish ?

There is something like two dozen square kilometers of woods nearby. If you had trucks, you could easily get the equivalent of 2.7 square kilometers of clear-cut forest without even clearcutting anything. Furthermore, there's a railway line.

There is no description of such an operation in any witness testimony. There's no documentary evidence at all, there is no evidence whatsoever of such an operation. What happened was the storytellers had to come up with an excuse for why their atrocity propaganda could not produce forensic evidence of bodies similar to the German investigation of the Katyn Forest massacre. So they made up a lie about digging up all the bodies and cremating them through open-air pyres, sifting through the ashes, etc. to avoid the question you say a million people were murdered here, where are all the bodies?

But in telling such a lie they didn't have the wherewithal to describe what an actual operation of that scale would look like. None of them hint at a labor force of 1000 lumberjacks shipping dozens of trucks with who-knows how many wood haulers every single day. This is a big lie, so their description of the operation totally lacks any reference to what you are presupposing because you tacitly acknowledge that the witnesses' own description of the operation is not possible.

Do you even speak Polish ?

Carlo Mattogno, the revisionist I've cited in this thread who is by far the most prolific researcher in the Revisionist movement, is fluent in Italian, German, Polish, and Russian. He has visited the archives in Moscow and translated large numbers of documents and testimonies that have never been published in mainstream research, including many from Polish witnesses.

In the work on Treblinka I linked to earlier, Mattogno points out (p. 152 Lack of Documentary Evidence for Cremations):

These kinds of enormous pyres, had they actually existed, would obviously have been immediately conspicuous in the area surrounding Treblinka. In reference to this, the witness Kazimierz Skarzyński explained:448

“The bodies were piled on the rails and burned. The glow of the fire was visible at a distance of 15 km. During the day, black smoke spread. With a strong wind, the smell of burning was still perceptible 30 km away from the camp.”

As pointed out in our introduction, the Treblinka camp was surrounded by quite a number of villages and hamlets. Within a radius of 10 km were the small towns of Wólka Ogrąlik, Poniatowo, Grady, Treblinka, Małkinia, Zawisty Dzikie, Rostki Wlk., Rytele, Świeckie, Olechny, Wszołki, Jakubiki, Tosie, Kosów Lacki, Dębe, Żochy, Rostki, Maliszewa, Guty, Bojewo, Brzózka, Kołodziaż, Orzełek, Złotki, Prostyń, Kiełczew.

From every single one of these villages and hamlets one would have seen the glow of the flames from Treblinka for 122 days – how does it happen that there is no mention of this in any of the reports of the Polish resistance movement?

And how is it that Soviet reconnaissance planes discovered no trace of this gigantic cremation operation? Jankiel Wiernik supplies the following explanation for this:63

“Whenever an airplane was sighted overhead, all work was stopped, the corpses were covered with foliage as camouflage against aerial observation.”

This, of course, is outrageous nonsense: in the first place, the planes would already have noticed the smoke from the grates long before they reached the camp, and in the second place, thanks to the great amount of smoke it would have produced, covering the grates with foliage would have been the best method to make them even more visible!

That such a mass cremation of many hundreds of thousands of bodies was not a real event follows, finally, from the glaring contradictions between the different eyewitness narratives...

If you are a critically-minded person, you ought to be able to detect the 'tell' in Jankel Wiernik's wildly absurd description for how they made this operation escape detection: "Whenever an airplane was sighted overhead, all work was stopped, the corpses were covered with foliage as camouflage against aerial observation." It's like when a four-year old tells you something that you just know is a cover-story for something else. This is an example of the witness modus operandi for how they include absurd details like this as a preemptive excuse for something implausible- like this operation escaping detection from aircraft. The fact that the 'witnesses' could not describe a possible operation indicates the entire mass exhumation and cremation story is just cover for the fact that this did not happen, and they are building lies on top of lies to try to explain why there's no trace of it happening other than their own tall tales.

The problem, though, is that none of them could intuit what would actually have to go into an operation such as cremating 780,000 people on open-air pyres in 122 days. So their description of the operation is not even remotely possible. The thing is, witness testimony is the only evidence that this is something which happened, given the total absence of documentary and physical evidence. So the fact they could not describe a plausible operation, an operation that probably looks more like what you have in your imagination, is devastating to the myth.

There is no description of such an operation in any witness testimony. There's no documentary evidence at all, there is no evidence whatsoever of such an operation. What happened was the storytellers had to come up with an excuse for why their atrocity propaganda could not produce forensic evidence of bodies similar to the German investigation of the Katyn Forest massacre. So they made up a lie about digging up all the bodies and cremating them through open-air pyres, sifting through the ashes, etc. to avoid the question you say a million people were murdered here, where are all the bodies?

You haven't looked for it. Don't lie. You don't even speak Polish.

From every single one of these villages and hamlets one would have seen the glow of the flames from Treblinka for 122 days – how does it happen that there is no mention of this in any of the reports of the Polish resistance movement?

a) You mean the Polish resistance movement that was ruthlessly suppressed by the Stalinist government ? Gee, why weren't they writing more. Yet some of them did write down what happened after situation cooled off in Poland, as I already mentioned..

b) have you even checked? Because I checked. Within five minutes I found a TV interview of a woman who was a teenager then, lived cca 10 km away, who said her village was smelling smoke from the camp almost every day during the camp operation, and that the sky was partly obscured because of it due to a smoky haze.

c) you are, to me, just incredibly weird. How are you going to explain, for example, Lanzmann's film - which featured secret recordings of known perpetrators, guy who were tracked down, sentenced to prison, then went out - in which they admit what they've done ? Few of them were okay with being filmed during the interview, so he mostly lied and recorded them secretly.

He recorded more than 350 hours of footage, Israeli gov't told him to go to hell, that he's too slow, apparently it's all digitalized and has the original German in it. Surely as a fan you speak that language. You ever watched those secret recordings ?

Lanzmann was apparently even prosecuted by the notoriously privacy-minded German state for the secret recording when one guy discovered it and assaulted him.

If you are a critically-minded person, you ought to be able to detect the 'tell' in Jankel Wiernik's wildly absurd description for how they made this operation escape detection: "Whenever an airplane was sighted overhead, all work was stopped, the corpses were covered with foliage as camouflage against aerial observation."

As a 'critically minded person' I know that witness testimony can be often pretty bad. You cannot discount an entire event because some witnesses have weird memories or make weird claims for whatever reason. Wiernik was obviously deeply messed up. Suchomel, on the other hand worked at Treblinka, only got several years in prison over it - the only person to get life was the deputy commander- and was pretty lucid when interviewed and said nothing outlandish..

Lot of people (e.g. all the Treblinka survivors), and a whole bunch of perpetrators did say the camp existed and operated. That one of them - a carpenter, so probably a uniquely dim Jew, apparently very much traumatized did write some nonsense is supposed to completely invalidate the testimony of everyone else, the records that exist and all that ?

But there's one hiccup in the calculation here, anybody who has sourced their own wood knows there's a major difference between freshly cut green wood and seasoned wood. The former is at least 60% water and would require about twice as much, according to Mattogno's estimates:

Mattogno is not very bright , you know?

I had to look up wood energy content myself because we use it for heating at a property. You only need 15% more wood if you're using raw. Because nobody measures wood by weight, it's always measured by volume, usually as stacked cubic meters, sometimes loose cubic meters.

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