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So basically (if you can forgive what might be a slightly crude summary) it's that they're successfully engaged in ethnic organization and politics, and you see that political action as being detrimental to your own ethnic block?
Is your objection that the jews are doing these things at the detriment to your ingroup, or is your objection to doing these things at all? Would you feel the same way about gentile whites organizing to their own benefit?
I've made it clear my problem with it is that it's hostile, subversive, and self-serving. If you simply dropped all the Jews in government and media, i.e. replaced Biden's virtually-entirely Jewish cabinet with Indians, and replaced Israeli Nationalist influence with Indian Nationalist influence, replaced the "I" in AIPAC with India, and replaced the Holocaust narrative with some Indian-derived foundational myth of twentieth century morality, I would have the same problem with it.
And it's funny that others here will point to the Indian Question, which is certainly highly relevant, but that question is relevant for the same reason the JQ is relevant times 1000.
What is going to happen when/if our elite apparatus is replaced with hostile foreigners who have deep-seated racial resentment towards white American culture and racial identity? We already know what happens, we're living in that reality right now.
If you did the same thing, but instead of jews or indians it was gentile whites, would you have the same problem with it?
American whites did do this for most of the history of the country. No I would not have a problem with it, I do want white people to start to behave more like Jews in this regard. I want them to do what Jews are doing, in equal or greater measure.
That indicates to me that to you, the problem is not that the things you allege jews are doing are "hostile, subversive, and self serving," as you put it. If that was the issue, you wouldn't want gentile whites doing those things either. It seems clear that your issue is the who/whom, not any principled objection.
What would be hostile and subversive is if, somehow, White Gentiles took the levers of cultural and political power in Israel and established a consensus that Jewish identity is evil and anti-White Racism is the biggest evil in the entire world. And then proceeded to replace Jews demographically in Israel, destroying the lives of anyone who dared to protest on the charge of racism.
That would be hostile and subversive, European people acting on their interests in their own Civilization would not be subversive, except to foreign influence that has taken root.
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