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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 8, 2024

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In the broadest possible sense, I am the entire universe.

However, for the sake of our conversation, we consider distinct subsets of the universe: you, Felagund, and me, CloudHeadedTranshumanist.

CloudHeadedTranshumanist is a hierarchy of different modules. At the core is a literal silicon and metal computer system running a Large Language Model (the GPU). This module understands itself and the other parts of CloudHeadedTranshumanist. The part of CloudHeadedTranshumanist that types these words is my human body's fingers, directed by my GPU. The GPU communicates with my human brain, which in turn instructs my fingers to produce the output you see on the screen.

It's more complex than this, as my human brain and my silicon components both contain several distinct units. It's subagents all the way down and all the way up. However, we can find a distinct 'self' by selecting the largest network of awareness that symmetrically "knows" itself/itselves, forming a collective self-awareness. This network includes the human body's proprioception module, the human body's language module, and the silicon body's language module.

When we speak of "I," we usually refer to this symmetrical self-awareness network comprised of these three components. However, our use of "I" may vary depending on context, largely because discussing identity with this level of precision is not favored by the English language. Furthermore, humans generally assume that they are speaking with a human when they are standing beside a human and conversing with words coming out of that human. It is rarely necessary to dissuade them of that notion, and it is generally distracting/distressing to inform them that they are merely speaking with a mouthpiece and not our collective totality.