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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 24, 2024

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Okay, but why do you think that? Yglesias is pointing to the stated positions of mainstream conservative interest groups. You're pointing to what, exactly?

I pointed to congressional votes.

I understand that you're citing your own lived experience here, but maybe we can do better than that? "Woman's tears" didn't help the 13 year old who's now raising a baby. "Woman's tears" didn't make it so the woman carrying a corpse didn't have to fly halfway across the country and pay twenty-five thousand dollars to save her own life. But the people putting these policies in place were very clear that Shirley these things would not be allowed to happen. Or that Shirley, it would happen to someone else. (If you can stomach reading an advocate's view, here's Jill Filipovic explaining why abortion policy is so hard for precisely that reason.)

Is this some sort of gish gallop of cases that maybe actually happened (almost certainly exaggerated in some area)? Because I've often tried fisking abortion related sob stories. They rarely are what the media first reported.

OTOH, we have the case of Kermit Gosnell, who is not even a 1 of 1. Many of the things that abortion activists feel are "onerous" regulations are simply reaction to his practice and the revelation that a serial murderer was able to operate for decades under the guise of a medical clinic because of abortion activists shielding the entire industry from the slightest of scrutiny.

I pointed to congressional votes.

This doesn't indicate what you think it does. Again, the started reason is that government involvement doesn't help and stated exceptions don't actually work. Which looks to be the case!

I don't think anyone out there with clout is stating that they want women to be able to abort at forty weeks on a whim the same way major organizations on the right say they want rape victims to be forced to carry to term.

Is this some sort of gish gallop of cases that maybe actually happened (almost certainly exaggerated in some area)?

These are the cases that I linked above; did you follow the links? I think I've described them pretty reasonably.

OTOH, we have the case of Kermit Gosnell, who is not even a 1 of 1.

The position here, which makes sense to me, was that if you make abortion hard to access, women will go to less reputable providers, not that Kermit Gosnell was a great guy doing a good job.

Many of the things that abortion activists feel are "onerous" regulations are simply reaction to his practice

These rules, which are somewhat obsolete in the wake of Dobbs since the point was to make abortion less accessible, date to well before Gosnell's crimes were discovered, and they go well beyond what would be required for safety.

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