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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 24, 2024

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The modern English equivalent would be something like, "being straight with someone".

Or perhaps more to the point, "taking the lowly position of this child". That's a bit archaic, though; the translation into 4chanese is "being autistically honest" (having to couch communications in layers of defense is something neither children nor the autistic have the ability or the desire to do; that's why doing this is a mark of immaturity), and in Mottese it's "communicating using purely mistake theory" (paraphrasing how you described #2 above).

Which is why that part of Enlightenment philosophy is that way, why it works as well as it does (inb4 "surprise, schools of thought closer to God's global maximum make the people who accept that as the room temperature prosper, even though a local maximum of corruption may dominate them for a time"), and as for 'There is no "neutral", or "objective" vision'... uh, the existence of God is asserted in the Bible to be "self-evident" in this way many, many times, and deviating from that is explicitly called out as intentional corruption (like "X good, Y bad, get revenge while the sun shines", which is how [insert a way of thinking you believe, correctly or incorrectly, is corrupt] works).

This is because truthfulness must be fought for, and yet, by itself, yields no reason to fight for anything.

There's a love in it. I think there's a convincing case to be made that deifying Science truth in and of itself is a perversion of that love; the entire point of valuing truthfulness is to serve others, and permit/enable others to do the same, because that is (as far as I can tell) what God intends you to use His creation for.

as for 'There is no "neutral", or "objective" vision'... uh, the existence of God is asserted in the Bible to be "self-evident" in this way many, many times, and deviating from that is explicitly called out as intentional corruption (like "X good, Y bad, get revenge while the sun shines", which is how [insert a way of thinking you believe, correctly or incorrectly, is corrupt] works).

I can't tell what you are trying to say, or how it relates to what you are responding to. Can you elaborate and/or clarify?

I think there's a convincing case to be made that deifying [struck through: Science] truth in and of itself is a perversion of that love;

My position is not that we should deny truth, but that the Enlightenment overreaches on the exclusive sanctity of factual truth and objective methods for determining it. In particular, this leaves no honored way of adjudicating questions of morality or beauty, or of promulgating values and visions (that is, visions in the sense of Sowell's A Conflict of Visions).

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