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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 27, 2024

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"We'll have peace only if and when every last Palestinian renounces violence and accepts the status quo, and until then, we'll keep bombing," no, there will never be peace. At the moment, that does seem to be Israeli policy.

Wait, why not? If Israel decided to ignore optics, accept whatever level of collateral damage as was necessary, and bombed every Palestinian that didn't renounce violence, and only bombed them, then Israel would stop when only the non-irredeemable non-vengeance-monsters were left, and there'd be no more violence, yes?

I mean, given the current state of Palestinian culture, this would be at least genocide in the wholescale and eradication of their culture, and would probably end up being genocide in terms of actual real genocide, yes, but that would stop the violence.

Wait, why not? If Israel decided to ignore optics, accept whatever level of collateral damage as was necessary, and bombed every Palestinian that didn't renounce violence, and only bombed them, then Israel would stop when only the non-irredeemable non-vengeance-monsters were left, and there'd be no more violence, yes?

Sure, but that would effectively be pretty close to actual genocide. I don't think Israel is literally committing genocide right now, but I think what they've decided is acceptable collateral damage is on the far end of "looking kind of like war crimes." Whether or not you agree, it is for certain that Israel at this time (and for a long time even before October 7) does not believe and does not care that peace will ever be on the table.

Because they aren't willing to kill them all, whether that is due to morality or the fact their allies would not allow it. So given they are not willing to do that, and given history shows that even if most of the population accepts peace, there will always be hold outs, then demanding 100% peacefulness is an impossibility.

That is the problem here, if you aren't willing to kill them all, and you also are not willing to accept 95% peace, then you are stuck in the current situation for the foreseeable future. You can get to 100% peace by genocide yes, but that is already off the table.

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