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How would he know there was a blockade. I believe he was following app instructions.
Are you kidding?
If I said it I meant it. Google sucks and I tried pull up his dash cam video for me; it wasn’t there, but by my memory he was just following google maps.
I can’t get myself anywhere without using google maps.
Well, there's your problem!
Knowing how to read a map and find your own way can save your life!
The girls should have been smarter and not wore that skirt it’s her fault she was raped
Yes, my argument is exactly that: Perry should have been smarter and he had plenty of opportunity to avoid what happened.
I guess I am an irresponsible dipshit because I don’t memorize roads or memorize where people are protesting.
I think it’s completely irrational to think people can be experts in everything.
There is a reason why professionals exists in a lot of industries. A lot of people are not market experts. So financial advisors exists. A lot of people are not trained in law so lawyers exists. A lot of people don’t know fashion. So if a guy needs to find a wife he can hire an advisor. Many people can’t cook. So chefs exists. And many people (even more so now) outsource directions to apps. Instead of tying up prescious memory in your mind.
Likewise we hire police for a reason. Maybe they can be allowed to keep protestors out of the roads?
It seems impossible and unproductive to expect individuals to be experts everywhere at all the time in this world.
I will stick to blaming Joe Biden and Kamela Harris for backing this sort of behavior.
"Don't drive into a crowd of screaming people."
"How unreasonable! You can't expect me to be an expert at everything!"
Like I said he was using an App - either Uber or Google maps. And the crowd happened to be there when he turned.
I just follow the directions my gps tells me to do. It wasn’t his choice to drive into the crowd.
You are acting like he has mental knowledge of where the protestors are because he’s like god or something.
Protestors choose to protest in city centers. Which is the same place Uber drivers work. Where people live. Where restaurants and bars exists. He was just doing his job. Feeding his family.
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You don't have to do what google maps tells you to, you're still responsible for driving your car. If a road is flooded, or there's an accident, or there's a blockade of armed, screaming people...go around even if your phone doesn't tell you to. Obviously.
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