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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 20, 2024

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Wasn’t Daniel Perry doing his job?

Saying he could have avoided it is like blaming a poor person for a crime because he was poor. Hey Mr. Poor person. It’s your fault you were mugged at knife point. You could have deescalated and protected yourself by living in a neighborhood with low crime. It’s your fault for living in the bad neighborhood.

Also not a big fan of giving up our commons to the veto vote.

It was not his job to drive through a road blockade.

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How would he know there was a blockade. I believe he was following app instructions.

Are you kidding?

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If I said it I meant it. Google sucks and I tried pull up his dash cam video for me; it wasn’t there, but by my memory he was just following google maps.

I can’t get myself anywhere without using google maps.

I can’t get myself anywhere without using google maps.

Well, there's your problem!

Knowing how to read a map and find your own way can save your life!

The girls should have been smarter and not wore that skirt it’s her fault she was raped

Yes, my argument is exactly that: Perry should have been smarter and he had plenty of opportunity to avoid what happened.

I guess I am an irresponsible dipshit because I don’t memorize roads or memorize where people are protesting.

I think it’s completely irrational to think people can be experts in everything.

There is a reason why professionals exists in a lot of industries. A lot of people are not market experts. So financial advisors exists. A lot of people are not trained in law so lawyers exists. A lot of people don’t know fashion. So if a guy needs to find a wife he can hire an advisor. Many people can’t cook. So chefs exists. And many people (even more so now) outsource directions to apps. Instead of tying up prescious memory in your mind.

Likewise we hire police for a reason. Maybe they can be allowed to keep protestors out of the roads?

It seems impossible and unproductive to expect individuals to be experts everywhere at all the time in this world.

I will stick to blaming Joe Biden and Kamela Harris for backing this sort of behavior.

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You don't have to do what google maps tells you to, you're still responsible for driving your car. If a road is flooded, or there's an accident, or there's a blockade of armed, screaming people...go around even if your phone doesn't tell you to. Obviously.

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