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Ere the Sun rises
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Ere the Sun rises
20hr ago
The Zionist malice is unique, no other ethnonationalist movement has such prominence in our cultural and political institutions. No other ethnonationalist movement tells us we are evil for not wanting to be demographically replaced by the third world, but we are morally obligated to support their own ethnonationalist project. The Japanese don't do that, the Chinese don't do that. The Russians try to stir up a lot of trouble but they don't do that. It's only Zionist Jews that advocate for mass immigration and anti-racism in the United States while demanding support for their own ethnonationalist project.
Take the ADL as Exhibit A of the behavior I'm describing.
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Ere the Sun rises
20hr ago
Most people like Smith do not actually believe that the immigrants will make the country worse, they think everything will be fine. They are convinced of their ideology. They are smart enough to know that ethnic and tribal conflicts exist in the world, but they don’t think it could happen where they live. It is not that they believe they deserve worse, but that they think they are better.
This is just begging the question- why does Smith believe that though? His perspective was browbeaten into our collective consciousness with incessant moralism from motivated actors directing cultural institutions. If he believed otherwise with respect to mass immigration to White countries, he would be racist, which remains one of the most damaging accusations you can make against someone's political beliefs. This is why people like Krystal exist, she learned her lessons, and now there's a strong contingent of the left-wing that sees the strong contradiction between those values that constitute their moral consciousness and the Zionist project.
Liberal Values triumphed over South Africa and forced it into suicide, the notable difference being South Africa was a White country. So this isn't derived from some pragmatic analysis, modern "liberalism" means that Whites have to accept demographic replacement (otherwise you're racist) and oh yeah you have to support Jewish ethnonationalism (otherwise you're antisemitic).
I've heard other center-lib influencers like Destiny outright acknowledge the hypocrisy, but they say it's OK because of the Holocaust- Israel should be an exception to the principles they claim to care about when it comes to promoting demographic change in Europe and the United States, and the Holocaust justifies that exception for Israel.
The other uncomfortable side of that equation- why is it bad for Europeans and Whites to oppose demographic change from mass migration? That also reduces to the Holocaust, so even though we face an apparent contradiction it is coherently derived from the same mythological foundation.
The Holocaust mythos is the center of this dialectic. Holding Jews and Gentiles to totally different standards is a core feature of that dialectic and is not even a contradiction even though it appears that way on the outside. This is the Moral Order.
The hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church is not particularly relevant to your original criticism, which centered on the ideological mission of the Catholic church, which essentially entails grafting all the Gentiles of the world into the embrace of Yahweh as equals- there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death... And I completely agree with your interpretation of that mission. If the mode of organization of the Catholic Church were more similar to Judaism- a mode of organization which is by the way more deeply embedded in our economy, in our cultural institutions, in our lobbying groups than it is in a flag-bearing statelette run by a guy with a cool hat, that wouldn't undermine your criticism of the Catholic mission it would only make it even more nefarious. Edit: Of course ACB et al. are demonstrations of the principle of religious mission embedded in political and cultural institutions, expressing as hostility towards white people, so your analysis is basically acknowledging the phenomenon observed by those who attribute the influence of Jewish identity and ideology to the expression of anti-white cultural output in Hollywood and academia.
The notion that Judaism doesn't have a Pope and therefore a similar ideological mission cannot be attributed to it is blatantly false, it is simply a different mode of organization. There's the World Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, B'nai B'rith International, the Anti Defamation League, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, Chabad, of course the State of Israel- only to name a few out of thousands of such organizations that wield immense political and cultural power. Your implication that we can attribute the acts of Catholic Organizations to the Catholic Mission, but cannot attribute the acts of Jewish Organizations or ideologically-motivated Jewish people to the Jewish Mission simply because Judaism lacks a pope holds no water. The state of Israel has far more powerful political and cultural pull among global Jewry than the Vatican does among global Catholics, the prime reason there are "White Nationalist Catholics" is derived from the lack of loyalty to the Vatican and Catholic Mission itself among lay Catholics. There is far greater loyalty among Jews to Israel than there is among Catholics to the Vatican. Steven Spielberg transmitting a false propaganda film like Schindler's List to millions of Gentiles is no less of an act of ethnic aggression than the acts of the Catholic organizations you mentioned in your post. And of course hundreds of Jewish organizations are guilty of the exact behavior you lay at the feet of Catholic organizations with respect to mass immigration lawfare. They are two sides of the same coin.
Edit: One sad anecdote, a local Catholic Parish, in a long-standing lilly-White community, is getting a new Priest fresh off the boat from Uganda-- their new Spiritual Leader. The Catholic Mission is Lovecraftian horror, so you are not wrong but you are one-sided in your critical interpretation of how religion directly transmits ethnic warfare.
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Ere the Sun rises
21d ago
I agree with Amadan you should speak more clearly here. Because I see the "Catholic Occupied Government" meme floated by Jews like yourself and BAP, and I fully get the tongue-in-cheek reference but I don't understand what you actually believe. Given that those invoking that meme deny systematic Jewish influence in American politics and culture consciously optimized towards subverting White identity, are you saying that accusation is false for Jews but true for Catholics? Or are you saying it's false for both and using this analysis to try to show how easy it is to grasp circumstances and correlate religious backgrounds to create a false conspiracy? When JQ-deniers invoke "Catholic Occupied Government" I don't know which of those two positions they are trying to take.
For my part, I believe that accusation is true for both fundamentally, although there is greater heterogeneity among Catholic followers: there are many more pro-White Catholics than pro-White Jews. But that fact doesn't erase the implications of the mission of the Catholic Church, and I agree with your criticism, it's just interesting seeing you willing to apply this level of criticism with respect to the Catholic mission while in my mind denying a similar criticism of the Jewish religion with respect to its religious mission among the Gentiles.
Maybe we can meet in the middle and call it a "Yahweh Occupied Government" that for some weird reason appears inexorably hostile towards the White race at a fundamental level, as equally as it is philo-semitic.
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Ere the Sun rises
1mo ago
It's reminiscent of the Rhineland. The reason appeasement took place was because the demilitarization demand was unenforceable. The Germans could always just use it for leverage, leave temporarily to reduce the heat, and then go immediately back whenever they wanted to. So say Iran opens the Strait, all the aircraft carriers spend weeks going back to the other hemisphere. Nothing stopping them from immediately closing it again. This quagmire is clearly what is motivating a genuine effort for long-lasting Iranian peace on the American side.
It's not sufficient for an unconditional or nearly-unconditional surrender, but it can be sufficient as a deterrent. Israel was deterred in its 14 day war, which is why it accepted a ceasefire without conditions and then brought the US directly into the war, which has resulted in another ceasefire with conditions and concessions from both sides.
Neither Israel itself nor Israel/US could achieve its war aims against Iran and that's entirely thanks to its missile capabilities. Israel could not fight Hezbollah with Iran firing rockets at them given US neutrality. They would be fighting a drone-intensive asymmetric war while facing, by intelligence accounts, a high level of remaining Iranian missile capabilities combined with dwindling missile defense stockpiles. It's checkmate unless Israel can keep the US in the war directly, and despite my own confidence in Zionist influence in American society they are unambiguously overextended and I don't think they can.
Really what it comes down to is if the US is willing to be neutral while Israel attempts to keep the war going via Lebanon.
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Ere the Sun rises
1mo ago
Iran is not going to let Israel invade Lebanon. And Iran can actually follow through on enforcing that. The US can't stop them, and Trump demanding Israel stop its war on Lebanon demonstrates that. That's not Israel's call to make, its hands will be tied if the US is unwilling to accept economic catastrophe on behalf of Israel's war objectives, and it appears it is not willing to do so. That's why there's so much panic from the Israeli camp, they've hit their limit of influence.
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Ere the Sun rises
1mo ago
If the US commits to neutrality between Iran and Israel in the event Israel refuses to stop its war on Lebanon its hand would be forced. Israel cannot fight Iran without US military support.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
Like the Etruscans, it seems there are instances of male incursion of IE groups into the Iberian peninsula in which non-IE language was maintained. This was the case with the Etruscans and seems to be the case with the Basque people as well, who have something like 90% haplogroup R1b (IE haplogroup), in contrast with Sardinia where the EEF haplogroups dominate. I read some research indicating that some Celtic IE Bell Beakers were basically assimilated into the Basque people, they do retain IE heritage, at least much more than Sardinians. The Estonians likewise have very high IE admixture.
I think it's more likely the case that the general rule is IE introgression events were usually associated with a conversion to IE language, but there are some cases where the tribe retained a non-IE language. The key here is a non-IE language is not decisive evidence against IE genetic introgression, as in the case of the Etruscans, Basque people, Estonians, and Finns.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
I can't remember if we had a top-level thread on the Reich paper, but it's an important one validating the notion that Culture War is directly tied to biological evolution of society. The intersection of Culture War and HBD has been why I attribute so much importance to it and it seems like that association is becoming mainstream. But given the persistent taboo on serious HBD analysis, that also means we will continue to have academics who seriously study Culture War, some academics like Reich that seriously study HBD (while steering clear of societal implications), but an enormous gap in the study of the interaction between the two: how cultural memes, religion, and symbols influence the biological evolution of the nation.
The Neolithic Farmers spread into the both Caucasus and Europe, the G2a Early European Farmer haplogroup is concentrated in both Sardinia and the Caucasus region.
I'm not aware of Etruria being a non-Indo-European zone, are you referring to the Etruscans? The Etruscans were assimilated by the Romans, but it turns out they were also actually an IE tribe although they didn't speak an IE language. The Sabines and the Samnites were also IE tribes.
According to almost 2,000 years worth of genomic data, collected from 12 sites across Italy, these enigmatic people did not emigrate from Anatolia (a region that's now part of Turkey), but shared genetic heritage with people who lived nearby in ancient Rome.
All were descended from pastoralists who moved into the region from the steppes during the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age. Given that the steppes are thought to be where Indo-European languages originated, the finding underscores another Etruscan mystery – that of their (now extinct) non-Indo-European language, which managed to persist for centuries.
Isn't the South originally Indo-European descended? Greeks, Romans, Normans, the Aragonese?
All of Europe was originally (for purposes of this discussion) inhabited by Early European Farmers who migrated into Europe like 10,000 years ago. And then starting about 5,000 years ago, during the transition between the Neolithic age and early Bronze Age, Indo European tribes invaded Europe.
All Europeans have significant admixture from both groups, but that's the main story in the North/South divide in Italian admixture, not African admixture (really with the exception of Sicily itself).
The Steppe nomads, Yamnaya culture, were barbarians but then they migrated to Europe and evolved into the Corded Ware culture which became ancestral to Celtic, Latin, Germanic, Baltic, and Slavic cultures. The Haplogroups R1b and R1a are linked to the Indo-European steppe migrations and those haplogroups dominate European Royalty: R1b dominates Western European, British, and French royalty while R1a dominates Eastern European and Slavic royal lines.
Of course Haplogroup R1a is also prominently found in India at high frequencies (40-70%) among Indian Brahmin communities particularly in North India, and that haplogroup was brought to India by IE migrations into India. So that tells the same story as Europe.
The Finns have high levels of IE admixture, much higher than southern Italy.
Just browsing that map of Europe I linked does provide a strong correlation with wealth and development. Looking at that map also suggests there's no coincidence the Industrial Revolution was started in the North Sea area.
Edit: This is not to say I disagree that they were barbarians. But as Nietzsche said "The noble caste was in the beginning always the barbarian caste." The Latin barbarians (dominated by R1b haplogroup) did rampage through Italy and killed a lot of people, and then they built Rome and became the Nobles.
Some significant clarifications:
- Sicily has between 3-7% North African admixture, in some cases up to 12% reportedly, not insignificant but also not dominant and not really stratified across Southern Italy. That North African admixture is almost entirely isolated in Sicily and is 0 - (low) throughout the rest of Southern Italy.
- The Southern European phenotype is not derived from North African admixture, it's derived from the Early European Farmers. The Sardinians are a unique people in that they retain basically an entirely EEF admixture, and their phenotype was not inherited from Africa or Arabs. It's the closest you can get to seeing what a Early European Farmer looked like from thousands of years ago.
- What you do see more significantly stratified across North Italy to South Italy is not Arab/African admixture but Indo-European admixture.
So the story there is more dominantly "Early European Farmers - Indo-European" spectrum from South to North and not really "African/Arab - European". Sicily is somewhat the exception given it does have non-negligible North African ancestry and that shows up in the Genetic analysis as well. You propose somewhat of a false dilemma:
You can conclude the South is poorer because of African ancestry. Or you can notice that the South spent a thousand years as a strategic chokepoint that every Mediterranean power needed to control, while the North was a fractured set of city-states that nobody could grab easily. One of these explanations predicts the data and the other is constructing vibes based on a satellite photo.
Not because of African ancestry but Indo-European ancestry. Yes, the Indo European colonizers conquered the Italian peninsula in different waves and different times, first it was the Romans, then the Barbarians and so on. But the HBD interpretation would be that the percolation of various empires and city states in the areas with greater Indo-European admixture is not a coincidence, i.e. the establishment of the Roman Empire with the arrival of the Latin tribes to Italy. That would be the Noticer explanation for why Northern Italy had this high degree of civilizational development that lacked in Southern Italy, not because of African ancestry.
So the Noticing is not a black mark against North African ancestry as much as it stresses that the Indo Europeans really were a colonize and impose civilization everywhere type of people.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
Resentment is bitterness towards someone or something, ressentiment is formulating your values to be the antithesis of your target of resentment.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
impotency = lack of power, correct? So he's saying people want to realize their positive values, but can't, and so their chronic frustration curdles into "Ressentiment"?
That was my read on this excerpt from Schaler too, but it just seems to be describing resentment. If you want to realize your positive values, but can't, that can lead to resentment but ressentiment is something different. Ressentiment is- you can't realize your positive values so you just define your positive values as being the opposite of the Masters.
You can't join that exclusive WASPy frat, play sports, get the chicks, so you frame all of those things as bad and being a weak, loner, nerd as being the good.
According to Nietzsche's interpretation, ressentiment was derived from a "slave revolt" against Master Morality- flipping the concept of good/bad and making the weak "good" and the strong "evil." That's a cultural phenomenon that spans both ends of the political spectrum but is clearly more of a left-wing cultural phenomenon- the mentally disturbed transgender obese Reddit mod becomes the "good" against the White Frat Chad driving the cool car and getting all the chicks, who is "evil." The socially incompetent, weak, ugly nerd is the good and the charismatic, popular, attractive, strong Jock is the bad guy. That is the sort of moral inversion that strikes at the heart of ressentiment.
Ressentiment frames weakness, ugliness, slave morality as a moral superiority over noble values, strength, and beauty.
Ultimately ressentiment is not about being powerless it's about asserting that state of powerlessness as constituting moral superiority over those who have an exercise power. "I am morally superior because I am weak and oppressed" is the cornerstone of ressentiment and it's a phenomenon that spans both ends of the political spectrum but is clearly derived from left-wing cultural criticisms of traditional morality in the 20th century.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
Actual "cries out in pain even as he strikes you", Israel has been belligerent against everyone in the region, stole nuclear technology and illegally acquired nukes, manipulated US into instituting regime in several countries in the region, has clearly been targeting the Iranian regime with war for decades, has now started two wars with surprise attacks. And we STILL have to suffer the "the Joos are just scapegoats" scthick.
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Ere the Sun rises
2mo ago
What a lame manifesto honestly.
Note that in some ways the racists of slavery or Jim Crow days were perhaps less racist than the current racists.
Probably not Jim Crow, but slavery in the United States had a sincere paternalistic dimension, and that social dynamic no longer exists. Slave Owners actually did have a social responsibility for their slaves. Whites today do not have a similar social burden because blacks have equal rights. Social Justice rhetoric tries to infuse the paternalistic social burden onto whites even in the state of equal rights, through racial guilt and scapegoating whites as the cause of persistent dysfunction in the black community, but that's what modern racists reject.
It's not because they are more hateful per se, it's a totally different social dynamic and Whites no longer have a duty to uphold in that dynamic.
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Ere the Sun rises
3mo ago
He was investigated and subpoenaed in front of Congress.
"Organizing public events" makes you a fed, how does that make sense? He's trying to engage in politics under really difficult circumstances.
How is Fuentes "in the good graces of the SPLC"? Do you just say stuff with no evidence whatsoever?
Nick Fuentes was also like 18 during Charlottesville and people still claim he was paid by the SPLC, is this an op or something? Do people making these claims seriously believe them? I seriously doubt BAP etc. actually believes it, just spreading disinfo to help the SPLC's mission.
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Ere the Sun rises
3mo ago
Nobody was charged under similar circumstances, Fuente's circumstances are different from everyone who was charged. If he went into the building and didn't get charged, ok suspicious, but people saying he is a fed because he wasn't charged like everyone else who stayed away from the building is absurd.
You claimed Zionism is not unique among ethnonationalist states, I claimed it is unique due to its long-standing political influence and domestic activism in the US that consciously created the moral dialectic that Adam Smith is appealing to in this conversation: it's bad for Whites to care about race, but we should support the Jewish ethnostate.
It would be totally impossible to trace the origin of Tolerance Education in the United States in any other direction. The Simon Wiesenthal Center was founded in 1977, which Wikipedia notes is known for Holocaust research and remembrance, hunting Nazi war criminals, combating antisemitism, tolerance education, defending Israel, and its Museum of Tolerance.
Wikipedia describes the origin of the center:
"Tolerance Education" in schools today is practically synonymous with Holocaust education, the Holocaust mythos formulates the center of this liberal consensus that White nationalism is the greatest evil but Jewish nationalism is something we all have to support.
Likewise the ADL was founded in 1913 and incubated by the American Jewish Committee and American Jewish Congress. The well-known Museum of Tolerance was opened in 1993. Speaking of the American Jewish Committee:
The causality is clear, over a century of Zionist organizations fighting White nationalism politically and culturally tooth and nail every step of the way, while simultaneously demanding unwavering support for Jewish nationalism. That is a unique malice.
The entire reason Krystal is so scandalized by the concept of the ethnostate is because she internalized her Tolerance Education!
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