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				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I'll tell you what he means seriously : "since we are better than them, we will do as we please."




So basically, you hate him because he's telling you the truth.




I am not delegating my security to this child with a gun.




Your local elites are, and honestly, they have to.  Imagine giving you a gun- if they started rewarding people who did that, then they'd get political power and try to compete, and why would you want subjects to do that?


But if they let the US do that- if they simply pay them as mercenaries with the odd disruption to your economy and perform/impose American religious rites on the population- your local power brokers can be as corrupt as they like.  And the powerful in your nation that don't want to do that will be out-competed by those that do, so it wouldn't matter how virtuous your population at large is anyway.






but you expect us to trust him, when he shows us only contempt?




Indeed.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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The philosophy behind UBI is that while giving people a guaranteed income may decrease economic activity, it would improve society in other ways: people, above all the unproductive ones, have more time for politics




I don't think that would improve society at all.




That means you cannot put UBI recipients to work on useless activities, or you have all the downsides and none of the upsides.




Sure, but given what the above would result in (and how limited applications of this in free societies have all generated this problem), UBI is incompatible with a society built on equal rights- the golden geese generating the productivity will not survive.


At least the Communists (and socialists more broadly) are honest about this (as are the "you will own nothing and be happy" WEF-ers).


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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"Be politically involved and have your own opinions!"




[Does this]




"No, not like that!  You're only supposed to be able to do that if it's going to lead to a conclusion that I'm already winning in!"




Doesn't seem that complicated to me.  There are a bunch of ancillary skills can that make this tolerable, but people who have to take the book advice thing from social media generally don't possess those nor can they realistically develop them at this point.


But leading with that is just kind of a symptom of, like, just being low-quality in general.  At least the 6/6/6-seekers [with few other qualifications] are honest about how naked that self-interest is, and are selecting for people who also do that, as they should.  It doesn't make for a great marriage, but neither do the "you read wrongthink books" people.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I also wonder how much of this is just Europeans trying to do to the Americans the same sort of international bants that Europeans tend to do to each other when meeting in international settings, and those bants failing to land.




Sure, but this goes both ways; international criticism of Trump (both plebian and patrician) centers around this exact thing.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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failing to hold people accountable for high-profile failures because they had the correct credentials and merit badges




I mean, of course they wouldn't be held accountable- for the credentials exist solely to front-load accountability (and act as a form of corporate welfare for the class of people who work for the organizations that bestow them).  So...




If all the training and experience brought you to this, of what use was all that training?




...sure, maybe doing that is destructive, but it justified the education-managerial complex for a while and that's what actually matters.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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How do you explain how hard ukraine and russia have been going at it?




The one-word (and the 20th century) answer is "nationalism", the one-sentence answer is "because being under the Russian empire is still in living memory and they would prefer the American one, also conscription" on the Ukrainian side and "because the Army is paying quite a bit, also conscription" on the Russian side.




People in 1900 didn't think it was 1900, either. They thought they "were over" war, too.




The world was a lot more multi-polar back then and the subjects living under those empires actually felt common cause with that empire.  Hence colony willingness to participate in the Great European Mass Suicide of 1914.  No, I think the only war your average first-world citizen would fight (ignoring the US, because they're the only Western country for which the above applies) is civil, let alone its average military-aged male.


Jingoism is still mostly the domain of the old, though.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Just pretend it's not happening, quietly absorb any pain that comes your way, and hope that things will go back to the way they were




This is a bigger issue than most non-Americans think it is, though.  Or at least their elites.  Turns out that when you treat your country as an economic zone people won't go to war, and when you treat your young like that they will hang the old out to dry.  It's not 1900 any more.


We already know how much disruption modern citizens will tolerate to their daily lives without picking up a rifle themselves because 2020.  The people can care a lot less about who runs their country.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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The last time the Germans unified Europe, the Americans invaded and crushed them.


That's also part of why the Fourth Reich can't do this like the Third did, by the way- the Fourth is mostly just controlled opposition.  And the Eurocrats know that, which is why they make efforts to [quite literally] cry about how unfair that is while changing nothing domestically (they're holding out hope for a Blue win in the US so things can go back to normal).


And the problem with European "progress" is just like Canadian progress- it defines itself by opposition to [things that would create competition for elites, but would make the rest of the country prosper], and their people clamor for this approach.  So other than going full Nazi again- which is unlikely (migrants are HBD selected for their relative unwilling to fight for principles) there's very little hope for them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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You cannot “live within the lie” of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.




laughs in equalization payments and election results


Projecting much, Carney?






Canadian goal, in any case, is




"try for a few years, figure out it's much harder than we thought, succeed anyway, but just as soon as we've figured it out drop the project and just let the Empire do it instead".  This is the historical pattern for Canadian development- I think it's an HBD thing given it's been a near-constant over 150 years of the nation's existence.


So no, I don't think Canada (in its current form) has what it takes to have a nation, apart from perhaps a strategic location that made it quite difficult for a pre-industrial US to invade and the differing culture that grew up around that.  The West might, because/but the West is not Canada.




The alternative is to let the US fully dismantle your economy, complete its demoralization campaign, and then absorb your territory.




I don't think the people of Ontario have any other realistic option considering how much of their economy depends on manufacturing for American firms.  They won't be manufacturing anything for China, obviously; they might get away with it for Europe since energy is 1/10th the cost here, but that's more "competes favorably with Germany" than anything else.




Remember, Canadian politics are unique in that the nation has always been a protectorate of the dominant world empire.  When that was Britain, we were a British protectorate; once they were defeated, we became an American protectorate instead.  Our politics are still a mix of the two.




Maybe your country shouldn't exist as a nation if it's non-viable on its own, and you should apply to become a state. Would be more dignified.




laughs in jingoistic Boomer  And to think the US thinks it has problems with this- but in the US, these guys are on the Red side, while everywhere else has them on the Blue side.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Of course, that goes both ways.  They'd need to be further inland; I don't think pulling a reverse Fenian strategy is going to work well for them.




the great lakes and St Lawrence Seaway are exceptions rather than the norm.




Well, that and the massive wasteland that exists between Thunder Bay and Toronto.  Those bridges are just as strategic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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consider the risk of drama to not be worth it




I mean, that's kind of the thing right there, isn't it?


Wirehead's gotten a lot better, as you described (MMO guilds/Discord communities, [both gender's preferred] porn, etc.), and women are more openly hostile to men than they were in the generation that's [hopelessly outmatched when] trying to advise them.


The market clearing price has raised to the point low-quality personnel on either side just can't compete, which is what "6/6/6 or bust" (and the fuzzier/less clear-cut ways men express this) is ultimately an expression of.


Ironically it's the unearned hostility from women that's keeping prices higher than they would otherwise be, which of course is why the rich want them to be raised that way.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


land border






Canada




Canada doesn't actually a significant land border with the US; if it did, it'd already be the US (they would have won in 1812).  This is a mistake Canadians make all the time, too.


At least, not the "Canada" part of Canada, by which I mean Eastern Ontario and the Quebec part of Quebec (which is, completely unsurprisingly, not on the US-accessible side of the border).  Sure, there's a small fragment of NB that does, but they'd have to transit a state that's not exactly sympathetic to them; then there's the West, but you're not going to find much sympathy for Blues out there outside of maybe Vancouver so the fact it has lots of land border doesn't really matter.


Yes, the bridges over the completely unfordable bodies of water that separate the two countries are major feats of engineering, but they've only existed for a tiny fraction of Canadian history and in a shooting war would be relatively easily damaged or destroyed.  I don't think Canada would tolerate hosting a faction that would prompt their destruction.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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What the hell? This is not male sexuality.




Come on, you should know better.  You're responding to your direct distaff counterpart.


Claiming all men are inherently evil attracted to children is part and parcel of female sexuality, as a way to provide cover for the "make sure anyone in an age group more attractive than mine is prevented from selling sex to men in exchange for resources" impulse that produces this answer, so that's what's on display.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Who is this 4chan?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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At this point, I just use statements of "Trump is a narcissist" or "Trump doesn't understand basic economics" as revelatory of someone who simply isn't fit to be a political actor.  Intelligent criticisms of Trump exist; "muh corruption" [which is what happens when social privilege runs into an institution that refuses to respect it] is not one of those.


People saying "not a politician" usually have a better understanding of it, but I think the best understanding is that Trump actually bothers to include the nation in the political process, and the nation is not used to that nor are they ready for it, so they don't react well.


This also extends to people in other nations reacting to Trump, which hamstrings their response: they reflexively vote for conservatives who promise maximum hostility, but aren't capable of evaluating their own economic or strategic position [or that of their immediate neighbors].  This is also D criticism of Trump in a nutshell, for just as negotiations are proposed publicly, they also fail just as publicly (re: China's current strategic retaliation).


The fact Trump is calling the public of those nations directly out on international media, rather than their king(s) in private, is itself enough of a culture shock to send them searching psychology textbooks for answers.  But again, it's their worldview that is wrong: European countries are American provinces and have been ever since their invasion force hit the Continent the morning of June 6, 1944.




Usually the public is included in the political process by the legislature, but that hasn't been meaningful for a long time thanks to 51/49 effects which provoke a tendency to never do anything lest that hurt voter turnout (thus the need to hold policy goals hostage- abortion rights, same sex marriage rights, gun rights, industry rights [as a tax or penalty of $0 for disobeying the bureaucracy comes right back if the relevant actors don't vote for politicians that promise it stays gone], etc.).  This is arguably just as relevant for D as it is for R.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Or, that if the anti-ICE movement is in power, that they might be tempted to spend political capital to make them legal (such that they can't be targeted again as they have been this time).  Which is arguably the revealed preference of the Trump admin anyway.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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because they can't realize that it's one level of abstraction up for that




Their salary (social security/OAS/your local equivalent thereof) depends on them not realizing.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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This seems to me an obvious failure mode of UBI




But that's already here: anything the government pays for (or mandates employers/society at large pay for) that doesn't have a mandate for results, or UBJs (universal basic job) for short, enable this.


This is the reason the education-managerial complex is the way that it is; it exists because the people without productive work to do (as in, 1950s housewives) got bored and demanded it be created.  This is why the workers of those jobs oppose any measure of standards (and those that are imposed are gamed into uselessness re: graduation rates), and the people who actually try tend to find themselves behind the political power curve (this failure mode is fractal).


The defense of UBI is that it allows you to send these people home with the intent of imposing standards on the jobs they were pretending to do- but zoom out and you find yourself/your society's productive efforts captured again by people who have nothing but time to try and rent-seek/insert themselves into every space they aren't welcome, so it's probably a wash on balance.


And inb4 "but the 19th Amendment enabled this, just repeal it", it really didn't; that was simply an expression of the law changing to reflect the conditions on the ground at the time (the bored women at the time had enough men on-side to enforce it).  The 19th Amendment comes after the 18th Amendment.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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No, they're just the loudest.


Who do you think "a couple crazy kids on college campuses" were enabled by?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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well, not the rape part




No, the rape part too.  That's a thing that only affects young women, and why would the collective of old women (i.e. progressives) want to improve their lot in life given evopsych tells them, correctly, that they're nothing but dangerous rivals?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Almost like this is precisely what the kind of person who wants those limits is afraid of.  Guns naturally nullify strength in numbers.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Canada sounds like they’re currently trying to stoke an alliance with China




Yeah, sounds.  What's actually happening behind those doors is "oh shit, please we're sorry about our stupid Boomer electorate for fucking up the country, don't go", in a way that simply isn't symmetric for the US (since the Boomers are more likely to support Trump).  A lot of the teeth-gnashing about Trump is because the elites in those countries know that, and having the populace angry means they can blame Trump for their own cascade of failures to reinvest in their own countries (and hence, youth) over the last 20 years.  Not that Trump makes himself hard to blame, but I digress.




Not only that, but their immigration policies have massively destabilized their own countries.




Hence why the only people who want to muster a workable defense against the US are the Boomers in those countries.  It's hard to prosecute a war with septuagenarian soliders.




the Europeans refuse to invest any money defense, they just keep trying to guilt us into paying for it.




That's also why the Canadians haven't bought the F-35 yet, of course.  How long's it been now, 20 years?  Dead pilots only cost a few million.  Strange, I wonder why nobody wants to join the Air Force now that we've decided we need one?  (confused_travolta.gif)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I thought both left and right were starting to slip into a post-post-liberal dichotomy.  I thought the "Karen" archetype was mostly a lot of bad looks on very bad days for otherwise milquetoast suburban ladies.




So first, labels.


Karens are, above all else, hyper-establishment.  They tend to be the less morally developed individuals of their group with the time to take that out on everyone else.  Take the perennial reasons liberals claim this about conservatives- "they're just not at the proper state of moral development, and have never been".


And I agree with this assertion- Karens tend to be Kohlberg 3 and 4s.  5s and 6s are generally too morally developed to be Karens, though they retain the ability and vocabulary to Karen out as needed.


What Karen uses to justify herself varies based on what the establishment is.  When that establishment is the Christian Right, they're good Christian women; when that establishment is racist, they're protesting bussing; when that establishment is "men should beat their wives", they're the ones justifying that to their daughters; when that establishment is "spare the rod spoil the child", they're beating that evil left-handedness out of you; when that establishment is "kill the X", they're the ones telling the machetes where to go; when that establishment is "cut your daughter's clit off", they're the ones holding 'em down.  But they always use the Establishment as justification [1].




I thought both left and right were starting to slip into a post-post-liberal dichotomy.




They kind of are, but what the two sides are going to be is kind of indeterminate, because much as the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" are in flux, so too is the economic model of the world in transition from the mid 20th century (where physical labor was the limiting factor in economic growth) into the 21st (where time is the limiting factor- modern high tech manufacturing doesn't actually require huge amounts of capital or physical labor, but require decades to spin up, software development requires no capital and no physical labor, standard manufacturing requires some capital but little physical labor due to automation).  It might legitimately not matter what they think if their ability to exercise political power is compromised so severely that the middle class is erased entirely (it won't really look like that, but elections mattering less and less, and splitting across 51/49 lines, is what this looks like- countries with a larger middle class will still feel the need to jail opponents though, which is why France and the US have done that [publicly], though that failed in the US' case).




Gen Z conservatism was figuring out how long is was going to stay in its Nick Fuentes giga-irony phase before figuring out how to TradLife it up but with good vibes. Gen Z liberalism was establishing a pansexual polycule, ordering designer embryos, microdosing, and flirting with anti-semitism.




But the important part here is that, for the most part, the Gen Zs tend to leave each other alone.  Gen Z "liberalism" votes Establishment, and Gen Z "conservatism" votes Reform, mostly out of convenience- but Gen Z liberals are not natively Establishment any more than Gen Z conservatives are Reform, that's just how it shakes out right now.  Gen Z UBI vs. Boomer DEI (Gen Y is split across gender and property-owning lines; women and owners want DEI, all others want UBI if they don't have a job, or are anti-DEI if they do).




but a hyper violent rhetorical style of a group that feels they are the besieged templars of the Final Stand against The Big Bad.




This is what Caesar's assassins said to themselves.  It didn't work out very well for them, and I don't expect this will.  Perhaps noteworthy is that both groups were in their 40s- and if you have something to lose from the establishment turning against you, that's when you're going to act (before that, you're flexible enough to make it out OK; after that, you already have one foot in the grave).




[1] The stereotype is female for a reason- men can do this, but for evopsych reasons, men at Kohlberg 4 are typically just the executors of Karen's will.  They'll knit the ghost costumes/burkas/Hugo Boss uniforms but they leave the actual enforcement of obscenity-banning, cross-burning, witch-hunting, and clit-cutting to the men.  (For evopsych reasons, it's useful to humanity for women to pretend to be less blameworthy, even if they're all Greta Bösel inside.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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what made SJ so appealing to the upper-middle (and middle) class was that by denying class, it made them free to be as classist




Which is why the same people also deny sex, which made them free to be as sexist; and deny race, which made them free to be as racist.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Or, more correctly, boiled over again given the unfortunate incident in the 1860s.




Sure, but in this case the actors are both contradicting themselves.


Currently, the "conservatives" (as they call themselves- I call them traditionalists, as they have conserved nothing) might be sympathetic to the Confederacy as an axiom, but are acting like Unionists right now with all the anti-slavery stuff.


This is in stark contrast to the "progressives" (as I call them- they call themselves 'liberals', but that's just stolen valor), which are existentially hostile to the Confederacy, but are indistinguishable from Confederates right now with all the "don't take our slaves away"/"State's Rights [to keep slaves]" stuff.


So you have a situation where the founding myths are contradicted on both sides: that the Union was bad for doing what they did in 1860 on the Conservative side (on balance, probably wasn't), and that the Confederates [and the economic benefits of slavery they so desired] were the actual good guys on the Progressive side (on balance, probably wasn't).


The side that's forced to give will probably win... but they also won't be that side any more.  They'll be something else.