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2d ago
It's sad, it's traumatic, they still wake up and face the day.
And two centuries ago, people saw half their children die. It was sad, it was traumatic, they still woke up and faced the day.
We have overcome many things that were seen by previous generations as unalterable realities of life, giving the common person in today's world at least some benefits that were out of reach in earlier ages even to the mightiest kings. This process must continue at an increasing rate.
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2d ago
So a board unlikely to be sympathetic to arguments of the form "$LANDLORD1 and $POTENTIAL-TENANT2 are richer than $CURRENT-TENANT3, therefore $LANDLORD1's desire for a fancy car to compensate for his anatomical shortcomings and $POTENTIAL-TENANT2's desire to move into the district that two decades ago he treated as more dangerous than Fallujah are more important than $CURRENT-TENANT3's desire to stay in the home where she has lived through the entire Elizabethan era while still being able to afford to taste something other than shame."
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2d ago
So, if Alice née Alan crochets, you would conclude that she is not 'an entitled and pornsick man'?
If that is not your meaning, than I might not have been clear exactly what I was asking.
The question I am attempting to ask is: Is there any pattern of behaviour by Alice née Alan that you would consider sufficient to establish that Alice is not 'an entitled and pornsick man', while also not accepting your previously expressed Views on men, women, and the distinction therebetween, or is this a Kafka-trap wherein the mere fact of Alice claiming to be a woman while being AMAB is proof of her being 'an entitled and pornsick man'?
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2d ago
If already in possession of an androgynous name, retaining that name; if not, selecting an androgynous name for compatibility
In other words, yielding to others' belief that she is a 'delusional man in a dress'?
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2d ago
But is that downstream of natal biology, or of assumed gender during childhood and adolescence?
(Also, I'm not so sure 'autistic person' and 'primary plot driver is the sort of petty social status competitions found in a high-school lunchroom' really fit that well together, even if the autistic person is a cis-woman. Does anyone have stats on the distribution of interests in autistic versus not autistic cis-women?)
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2d ago
When an adult male insists that he is a woman, but behaves in a manner entirely consistent with an entitled and pornsick man
What behaviour, if exhibited by a trans woman, would you concede is not 'entirely consistent with an entitled and pornsick man'?
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2d ago
the landlord still gets to collect rent on his property and can apply to some pink board somewhere for rent increases.
And just what is a 'pink board' when it's at home?
Most of the search results were about insulation.
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7d ago
A lot of them can't afford it. The cost of PrEP divided by the population is a smaller figure than the cost divided by the number of people who need it; removing from the denominator those who cannot afford the larger expense will place it beyond even more people. Iterate enough times, and we end up with PrEP being accessible only to the likes of Peter Thiel, which I think is a worse outcome than you having a higher tax bill.
We expect people who chose not to have children to contribute financially to the cost of primary and secondary education; the same principle applies here.
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7d ago
So far we've been lucky enough to avoid that occurrence, but we're still rolling the dice every day; that's why cutting PEPFAR was such a bad idea.
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7d ago
I don’t think it’s possible for blood borne viruses to just mutate into an airborne disease.
It might not be possible, but I'd rather not take that chance.
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7d ago
What would be effective policy to both maintain the current levels of HIV prevention and also reduce costs to taxpayers?
Figure out some way to produce anti-retrovirals more efficiently.
Buy out the patents and either void them or licence them for a peppercorn.
If someone develops a vaccine for HIV, or a cure for it, that would have a sizeable effect.
In general, things of the form 'everyone is still expected to contribute, either equally or in proportion to their means, to the costs of prevention; however, we will try to bring the total price tag downward.'
Your proposals, and others of the form 'total price stays the same, but we move the costs to my outgroup', are unlikely to be effective. 'I-got-mine-AMF-YOYO' attitudes have a rather nasty tendency to backfire.
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7d ago
Obamacare requires Prep. Which I believe is $20k per year. I believe 4% of men are gay so if they all took it that alone adds like $1k/year to what insurance needs to charge to break even.
One, I doubt that the cost of pre-exposure prophylaxis is greater than the cost of treatment for someone who has caught HIV.
Two, the more people become infected with HIV, the more opportunities it has to mutate, including mutations that would make it airborne or otherwise easily transmissible. If you ignore AIDS because "it's only killing gay people and drug users, and they don't matter", you run a not insubstantial risk of the first clause in that sentence no longer holding.
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11d ago
Not like they went out to conquer empires or the likes.
Those Protestants were Church of England, whom I've heard described as 'Catholics who flunked Latin'.
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13d ago
A growing part of the population doesn't share them to begin with, and your society is failing at curbing the influx, and failing at assimilating the newcomers into your system of ethics.
I'd focus most of our efforts there.
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13d ago
Exactly. How many of those who persistently refer to Alice as 'Alan', also refer to the thirty-eighth President of the United States as 'Leslie Lynch King', or the star of Hitchcock's North by Northwest as 'Archibald Leach'?
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14d ago
It's not possible to talk normally about Alice without mentioning Alice's name.
But it is possible to talk normally about her without mentioning her previous name.
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15d ago
Unless a living transgender or non-binary person was notable under a former name, the former name should not appear in any page
I don't think that that is too unreasonable of a compromise. Some trans advocates object to any mention of the birth name of a trans person even if they were famous under that name before they transitioned; they are just as welcome to make their own fork.
(It is my understanding that the reason so many trans individuals have such a desire to hide their deadnames is because some anti-trans persons, who have no compunction about respecting name changes in other circumstances, nevertheless insist on referring to Alice as 'Alan' as a subtle way of, every time they refer to her, calling her delusional or worse.
By way of analogy, imagine instead that Alice is a devout Catholic and Bob is a devout Protestant. Each sincerely believes that the other is factually wrong about fundamental aspects of reality, but if Alice doesn't want to talk about it, it is not considered polite for Bob to keep bringing it up when Alice has asked him to stop, and if Bob continuously referred to Alice as 'Alice, who worships a long-dead Babylonian queen, and is thus on a direct route to hell,' I think most people would agree that he was out of line.
The same principle applies if Alice is a trans woman and Bob is an adherent of the ideology which calls Alice a 'trans-identified male'; a lot of people outside the tribal cores would look askance at Bob if, every time he mentioned Alice, he called her 'Alice the delusional man in a dress who is probably some kind of pervert'; repeatedly calling her 'Alan' is, from the perspective of trans individuals and their sympathisers, an attempt to do the same thing with a minimal fig leaf of plausible deniability.)
I don't approve of dissenting opinions being discriminated against by the data providers, ISPs, domain registrars, DDoS mitigators, payment processors, forum software providers, or anyone else who is capable of offering their services to all sides simultaneously. I do not even look kindly on most platforms attempting to purge dissent from their pages, or make it less convenient for such to reach those who are interested in hearing or reading it, as they also have room for all sides to share space; thus they ought to be less restrictive than the chattering classes would prefer.
However, Wikipedia only has one article on Alice Famousperson; it cannot simultaneously adhere to both trans-accepting and trans-rejecting standards. It cannot both include and exclude the fact that, prior to her transition, prior to anyone having heard of her, she was called Bob Nobody.
Thus, you have a point that you shouldn't have to build your own Facebook/Youtube/Reddit/Artist-Formerly-Known-As-Twitter, nor, if you choose to do so, should you have to build your own infrastructure stack to support it, but it remains the case that one side or the other won't see their Views adopted as Wikipedia Policy.
Also, the "just start your own Wikipedia bro" predates many of the current guerres de culture and the xkcd comic, and is a core part of the open-source ethos. It was already in place when the disagreements in question were "Should we have adverts?" or "What colour should this template be?".
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15d ago
One, I specified that one of them yielding is only one possible outcome; the price of an exemption would stop increasing even if all the incumbent businesses continue their discriminatory policies, if new businesses were founded to cater to the discriminated-against group and anyone who doesn't care one way or the other, and can offer lower prices by dint of not having to buy said exemptions.
Two, if you don't like the modest proposal on which I have speculated, and don't like the status quo of legally forbidding discrimination, what solution would you propose to the problem of all the businesses in an area having a policy of "We don't sell to your kind."?
If you were in charge of U. S. Federal civil-rights policy in the mid-20th century, and could get any solution you saw fit passed by the Legislative Branch, put in place by the Executive Branch, and upheld by the Judicial Branch, and were informed by whatever source you would find sufficiently convincing that, in the absence of Federal intervention, the southern states would not moderate on their own, and Black people in the southern states would continue to find very few businesses willing to sell to them, and effectively none that were either integrated or separate-but-actually-equal, thus giving rhetorical ammunition to the Communist powers, ultimately leading to the West losing the Cold War?
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16d ago
“subject to the jurisdiction” needs to mean something
It means that an exception is made for children born to diplomatic personnel, invading troops or their camp followers, and Indians Native Americans Amerindians Indigenous people First Nations whatever the preferred nomenclature is this week who were considered not part of the United States.
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19d ago
The '90s had the right idea. Boys can wear dresses and have tea parties, girls can play with monster trucks and hit one another with sticks, etc and so on, and none of those things make them not boys or not girls.
Wasn't this at least part of the motivation behind the thing with the drag queens?
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20d ago
Re "We need him for the football team", I would like to state at this time that the same phenomenon is not unheard of with white perpetrators.
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20d ago
Doesn't the term "Stockholm Syndrome" exist to diagnose a particular case where the objectively bad experience of being kidnapped can be seen by the victim as a good development?
In that particular case, the police somehow managed to make literal bank robbers the lesser evil!
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20d ago
Is it appropriate to put a man who is going to jail for raping men into a prison full of men?
And Hizbullah keeps striking Israel from Lebanese territory, and Lebanon keeps not stopping them.
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