Felagund
5d ago
Depending on how you measure. There'd already been a little intermarriage centuries before.
Felagund
5d ago
They wanted to establish some white enclaves at the end of apartheid, iirc, but the ANC wouldn't have any of it.
Felagund
5d ago
in fact the Afrikaans predate most of the black population
Eh, that's not quite true. The bantu populations were already in South Africa, just not in the western half. I guess it is true in the sense of ethnogenesis—e.g. Zulus as Zulus, instead of a variety of Nguni tribes—but they were still around.
Felagund
5d ago
The south african private security industry is larger than the military and police force combined, if I remember correctly.
Felagund
7d ago
I'd also be interested. What I've seen people of saying things like this in the past, it's seemed like people notice Vance's overlap with their community, but don't really understand him, and so misinterpret him and what he's doing.
Felagund
23d ago
The only one I've read that you haven't listed is Unsong. But I'm trying to stay away from internet serials for the time being, because they can suck enormous amounts of time.
Felagund
1mo ago
I'd be surprised if the Nobel people would be willing to give him a peace prize.
Felagund
1mo ago
For me, the NYT article doxxing Scott->SSC->themotte. But I also read through a ton of LessWrong stuff along the way, and then HPMOR and Unsong.
Felagund
1mo ago
6: "This part of Twitter," where postrationalists like eigenrobot hang out.
9.I think this has something to do with a system of government that operates using market-based predictions of the future in some way, but I don't remember exactly.
18: Read Unsong. I mean, read it all, but just the page linked should suffice to understand 18.
Felagund
1mo ago
For me: Understand: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
Have heard, but don't remember exact meaning (but maybe approximate): 9, 11, 20.
Except Ra****y_An***m?
(Name partially removed lest there's some reason they can't be spoken about)
Felagund
1mo ago
Eh, I don't think that's always true, more words can make things clearer. For example, using examples is often helpful.
Felagund
1mo ago
And more simply, the suppression of true religion is opposition to God himself. That is bad.
Atheistically, if you care about modern liberalism, that would suffice as a reason, what with tolerance being worthwhile and all.
Felagund
1mo ago
Not permitting a population to hold political office is very different from attempting to eliminate a population by force.
What does "force their morality" mean? What is your morality? I don't like all the imprecision of the language here.
Felagund
1mo ago
the people you try to repress
What does "repress" mean?
before trying to force their religious morality on secular people
What does "religious morality" mean here? What are the bounds of "religious morality" vs. "definitely-not-religious-totally-universal morality"? If Raskolnikov says that he thinks that killing people is just fine, would you say that society as a whole is obligated to listen to him?
You think they're demonic
Where did I say this?
the demonic people don't feel like giving you medical treatment.
I have no problem with freedom of association, provided that we exist in a society with available alternatives.
Felagund
1mo ago
I'm trying to avoid debating the entirety of conservatism, but that's obviously a No True Christian fallacy.
What's the sample that you're drawing from? Since I mostly have experience from churches and similar, and those tend to have pretty good families as far as I can tell.
Felagund
1mo ago
The conservative project relies on an idyllic view of the past and of conservative families, which can be hard to maintain when you’ve seen it from the inside. My grandparents ‘s generation were all very religious, and so it was common for spouses to hate each other all their life.
But certainly not all families are like that. I was raised in a happy family, and, to my knowledge, have mostly encountered happy families at church and so forth.
Do conservatives usually say that these things just happen by default? I'm more used to conceptualizing things as natural tendencies or roles, which we then have a responsibility and a duty to actually carry out.
I'm not satisfied with them leaving, unless to Namibia or something. That would be the death of the Afrikaner people. And really—how many peoples are there left upon the face of the earth who are better than they?
I'd be happier to see a stronger push for separatism, whether that be cape independence, or an Orania-style volkstaat. But any effort will be hard to win people over and coordinate and maybe slow. I don't know how much time is left. It helps, surely, that the private security outnumbers the military, and just the sheer size of the country. And the Solidariteit movement is good. Any victory will have to come through institutions that are not the government. But the white population is just so spread out that it makes it hard to do things.
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