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OP claimed
only 10% of divorces actually result in any actual alimony paid.
Is this wrong?
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This doesn’t address OP’s primary complaint, which is lack of evidence.
If what you meant to say was “advocate for white people”, “donate to white nationalist organizations”, or “advocate against affirmative action”, you could have said that.
From my perspective it seems like you chose a deliberately milquetoast word to make people seem crazy for not liking white nationalists.
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I'm not saying the rules aren't fair. I'm saying the failure modes of the "fair fight" philosophy also hinder productive discussion.
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Responding to "one benefit of X is Y" with "I think you're forgetting about Z" is completely fine.
When somebody (zeke5123) incorrectly says "actually Y isn't a benefit of X" and somebody (sodiummuffin) responds with "actually, you're wrong because etc.", it is completely inappropriate to accuse them of forgetting about Z (assuming that was what astranagant was actually doing).
sodiummuffin never claimed to be doing a fully-fledged accounting of all the pros and cons of veganism.
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It's worth noting that "fair fight" spaces have their own failure modes, notably that people interpret their opponents uncharitably and take opportunistic potshots. One of my favorite things about quokka spaces is that they avoid those failure modes.
Also "status" is absolutely a thing in masculine spaces, which is one reason why "I'm sorry, I was wrong" is never seen here.
Veganism is one point on the spectrum, with people both before it and after it. You cannot dismiss it by appealing to the limit (you’ll note that vegans don’t eat flavorless paste).
Unless you’re arguing that anyone advocating for efficiency in consumption has to eat flavorless paste, otherwise they’re a hypocrite.
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That is, killing a cow and eating it may involve less animal death compared to eating bread.
Cows eat industrially farmed food. Every calorie of meat you eat requires far calories of plants to create than if you had just eaten plants.
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Is somebody asking you to consider doing that?
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On the other hand, I don't think it's possible for a vegan to argue that you and everyone you know is doing unspeakable evil without it coming across as shaming.
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Either you care about white people, their bio-diversity, history and continued existence or you don't.
There are many, many people who care about white people who aren't "white nationalist".
In a society where everyone was raised from birth to be vegan it’d be equally obvious a chicken is worth more than 0.1% of a human and anyone who said otherwise would be considered morally abhorrent.
You do not inherently care about the subjective experience of shrimp in the Atlantic Ocean. I don't believe you.
When most people talk about Utilitarianism they’re talking about maximizing social utility, so this objection is completely irrelevant — the whole point of Utilitarianism is that you are maximizing something you don’t feel intrinsically!
You can, of course, object that social utility should assign zero weight to the shrimp’s utility function, but using your personal feelings to argue for the social utility function's weights should feel pretty unprincipled.
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Why wasn't there an official announcement of this?
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No, I mean by party scheming that Barack Obama and other Democrat Party insiders came up to trade admin appointments and racial politics wins in order for all other opponents to collapse and support Biden.
If most of the party supports a moderate candidate but multiple moderate candidates compete so that a radical candidate wins, is that a better representation of the voters?
Agree to disagree I guess. I don’t think there is a lack of trust in our mods.
I trust that they honestly wish the foundation would actually happen. I trust that they’re doing their best to apply the rules impartially.
I just disagree with them that the rules, as they are actually enforced, will achieve the foundation.
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QED what? Make sure your mods are anonymous?
If you're implying that you've demonstrated "it's impossible to have a healthy community with diverse viewpoints", then I disagree.
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No worries, sorry for the snarky reply.
Yes that's true, I was just illustrating that quantity supplied increases whenever demand increases, and this isn't considered "revealing" in most circumstances. Nobody would say "aha! It's been revealed that you-get-an-upvote wants to be a stripper" or "aha! The US wants to export bananas" if demand increases enough, so I'm not sure why you're saying it about the women in 1300s London.
Yes, if you found your space on Free Speech you'll attract seven zillion witches. And if you ban witches on sight you won't.
But that post doesn't say that those are the only possible options, probably because slatestarcodex.com was a clear alternative where discourse across the political spectrum occurred all the time.
So yes, the fact that TheMotte became "alt-right" was entirely predictable, but no, it was not inevitable.
I consider TheMotte overall alt-right.
Interesting. Our foundation is supposed to be
to be a working discussion ground for people who may hold dramatically different beliefs.
What a revealing statement. Things are so bad on Earth that somebody who wants to strip naked for money can’t because there aren’t enough clients to pay!
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Things were so bad that women who might have wanted to resort to prostitution couldn't because there weren't enough clients with means to pay!
Isn’t this an (odd) interpretation of virtually any supply and demand curve? The only thing stopping me from stripping naked on public TV is that nobody is willing to pay me a billion dollars to do it.
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While it'd be nice if throwing money at people decreased the crime rate, I think the strongest defense of welfare has always been that it improves the lives of the people receiving the money -- strong both in the sense that it's pretty self-evidently true, and in the (dark art's / practical) sense that the only real way to fight against the argument is to come out and say you don't care about poor people's wellbeing (which most people don't really want to do).
The steelman is that the “alt-right” were basically conservatives who were very loudly anti-immigration and anti-pc in ways that the establishment Republican Party was not (e.g. I remember people on /r/TheMotte itself lamenting that no party would ever reduce immigration).
It is clear that being loud and proud that “we don’t care if the left calls us bigots, stopping immigration and keeping trans advocates away from our kids is super important” is now very prevalent at the national stage in a way that it wasn’t in 2015, and that Trump demonstrated a clear departure from historical norms. Whether you want to call that “the rise of the alt right” or not is a narrative question more than a factual one.
I believe this was intentional, since it’s a better way to tease out the causal/marginal effect of divorce than looking at average outcomes.
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