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According to the CCC, they're a little more wishy-washy on that these days:
1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"63 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
So basically, adult non-believers who served God to the best of their ability and who would have hypothetically desired baptism had they known of its necessity get to go to Heaven, and unbaptized children get a big question mark plus a "I really hope God has a way to save these guys."
The way out I see for tradcaths, is simply asserting that Muslims and Jews either did know of the necessity of baptism and rejected it, or that they didn't try to seek truth and do the will of God in accordance with their understanding of it, because if they had, they would have found the Roman Catholic Church and Jesus.
While CCC 847 does allow for the possibility of salvation for those ignorant of Christ:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
I think tradcaths could have an out for not believing that the vast majority of Muslims, Jews or Protestants will actually make it to heaven, since they could just assert that in the modern world, most such people are not ignorant of Christ and his Church, and if they are, it is their own fault.
The Fed is not a fourth branch of government, and Congress cannot make them so.
No, but Congress and a supermajority of the states can make them so.
There is a general belief that Fed independence is a crucial linchpin undergirding American wealth and prosperity, regardless of how strong the legal argument is for it.
My preference would be for the Supreme Court to rip the band-aid and let Trump ruin our economy for a bit, and show people why we should get a proper Constitutional amendment protecting Fed independence, but that isn't going to happen.
I just don't think the linguistic debate can do what people want it to do.
The statement "trans women are women" can be true in some sense, and you can still have policies to prevent transition in minors, and make trans women use men's bathrooms, play on men's sports teams, and be imprisoned in men's prisons.
The words cannot compel the desired action, regardless of anything else.
Like, even if you accepted a "maximalist" supernatural trans position, and said that souls are real, and trans people are acts of the Abrahamic God putting souls in bodies of the opposite sex, nothing about that would imply anything about how we should treat such individuals as a matter of law or custom.
Does anyone who is pro-trans want to steelman gender ideology for me and try to field questions?
I am broadly pro-trans, but don't really come at it from a progressive/woke angle.
The basic foundation I'm coming from is a combination of libertarianism (people with different belief systems should be allowed to do what they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else), trans-humanism (people should be allowed to do what they want to their bodies), and a little bit of pronoun hospitality (when you are speaking with someone, it is nice to meet them halfway and use their preferred terminology, even if you don't agree with their metaphysics or ontology.)
I also think there's a strange way in which a lot of the trans debate is primarily a linguistic debate. I've said this before, but I think well-informed pro- and anti-trans people are generally in agreement on empirical questions like, "Can trans women get pregnant?", or "What chromosomes do an overwhelming majority of trans men have?"
I think in a lot of ways, it is less mystifying to model trans people as people with "strange" desires. The same way some people want tattoos and piercings or breast enlargement surgeries, they want to change their bodies to look more like the opposite sex. And the same way some people ask for nicknames and hate their birth names, they want nicknames and "nickpronouns."
My feeling is if they have the money, and that is what they want to do with their life, why shouldn't they be allowed to do that?
I'm okay with private sports organizations making whatever choice they want about which sex trans people compete with, let the free market sort such things out. For government-controlled domains, we'll have to work out what we want to do through a combination of voting, and application of constitutional principles. I'm personally okay if trans women get housed with male prisoners as a stop gap solution, though my preference is for all prisoners to be treated humanely and to be safe from other prisoners, and I am open to other possible solutions that still accomplish those goals.
I don't think this is remotely universal. On the contrary being flex is pretty rare, as any gay man will tell you.
I actually suspect it is more common than you think. Look at prison sexuality, Afghanistan's bacha bazi, and ancient Greek homosexuality.
What I think they all have in common, is that if you sex segregate a population, some men who aren't really "bi", and who would self identify as straight in most circumstances in a modern context, will have sex with smaller weaker men (often of the more effeminate variety, where they can be had.)
But I think this would be less common in less sex segregated places like the United States as a whole.
I use to be an Origionalists when my side was not in power. I now believe in Common Good Constitutionalism now that my side is in power.
Hm... I always liked originalism as a libertarian-leaning person with socially liberal views.
While I'm personally pro-LGBT, I feel like Obergefell was badly decided. And I was personally happy with the Dobbs decision, despite being pro-choice, because I feel like it was the correct choice as a matter of straightforward legal interpretation.
The new MAGA right has only made me dig in more, and think I was right to reject Living Constitutionalism from the left, and equally justified now rejecting Common Good Constitutionalism from the right. I think principles matter, and if the laws are bad, we should change the laws, not ignore them or pretend they mean whatever we think they should mean.
But I suppose you could say that as a libertarian, I'm always on the losing side, so maybe I am just an adherent of a loser philosophy that retreats to originalism no matter who is in power.
Funniest part to me, though, has been the entirely predictable reaction by the "wokes" to memory-hole their reaction to Eve (only 2 years ago!), which had itself involved an attempt to memory-hole their reaction to 2B, which had itself involved an attempt to memory-hole their predecessors' reaction to Bayonetta.
Some of this could be because it isn't always the same people complaining each time. So instead of "memory holing", it's more like one group of people complains at time X, and another group of people who always liked the thing happening at time X complain at time Y.
I'm not saying there has never been an individual who made themselves of their close associates into hypocrites on this count, but I would imagine if you could have the god's eye view of social media, there would be a lot less hypocricy here than you'd think.
("disgusting to me" is easily turned into a seemingly less-egotistical "I believe it damaging to the consumer's psyche/society" at no cost).
While this is true, little-l liberalism has long believed that a certain amount of "harmless disgust" or "low-impact psychological damage" should be present in society.
There are some pretty gruesome horror movies out there, that would shock and dismay a lot of unprepared people. But instead of banning them, we trust that individual consumers will avoid things they think will make them unhappy.
Production is bad is probably the most clear and obvious bad outcome but the vast majority of people would be against drawn or AI versions.
I've actually wondered about how people would feel about a government making an "authorized list" of confirmed AI-generated CSAM with no CSAM in the training data, that would be the only legal form of such content to own. Assuming that the mere consumption of CSAM doesn't encourage victimization of real children, this seems like the best all around compromise, if you can figure out how to distribute it in a way the government can't easily track.
If the government can easily track it, it just becomes a blackmailer's wet dream. Although, we're in an era where "they fabricated all of the evidence connecting me to this" is an increasingly plausible claim, considering where generative AI is.
What do you want other than reproduction, to sit around high and distracted? That's your only other option.
That's just silly.
There's still art and culture, and science for men and women of leisure to create and experience.
All of Shakespeare's descendants died out in the 17th century, do you believe that his contributions to art aren't a good enough legacy to leave behind? Or Newton and Washington, who had no biological children, and yet I challenge you to find two men who made more of a lasting impact on the world.
As far as we know Jesus of Nazareth had no biological children, and look at his impact on history. And Julius Ceasar's two confirmed biological children, Julia and Caesarion had far less impact on history than his adopted son. Who was a bigger legacy for Socrates, Plato or his biological children Lamprocles, Sophroniscus, and Menexenus?
Eugenics is all well and good in the long run, and I don't think most people really objects to voluntary eugenics to remove genetically influenced diseases from the population. But I think even when you have two aristocratic people of "good stock" you're often going to get a Commodus, historically speaking. Dune is partially fantasy, because the kind of organization and longevity needed to pull off a multigeneration eugenics program on that scale would tend to make the actual people being produced kind of redundant.
But also, I think that eugenics is the retreat of the lazy and unexceptional. Unless you have produced a master work or an empire that will long outlive you, how lame is it to be proud that you have "good genes" with nothing to actually back it up? Go out and prove you have great genes, and give us another great man of history to look up to!
And, of course, it's defending a foreign terrorist, and not a law-abiding American. Because of course Americans can't expect to defend their own rights without some foreigner, it has to be some foreigner or it will never get to the SC in the first place.
This seems like a silly thing to say. What percent of gun law cases that make it to the Supreme Court do you think involve "persons" vs "citizens"?
I agree that the Supreme Court tries to shop for the right cases to try a legal theory, but I don't think it is as straightforward as, "of course, it's defending a foreign terrorist."
If all you were concerned about was long term genetic propensity to violence, couldn't you just introduce castration as a "lower tier" punishment that you dish out more readily?
Castration would probably be a good two-for: it would probably lower the propensity to violence directly (see steers vs bulls), and stop them from reproducing. You probably wouldn't even need to imprison most of them. I would actually argue it would be more humane than locking people up for decades, as we do in the US.
(Although, as an aside, I think murder numbers among any demographic would need to be significantly higher than they are for Blackstone's ratio to actually result in murderers killing faster than the birth rate. The United States may have higher violent crime rates than Europe, but even with Blackstone's ratio as an inherited principle of our common law legal system, we're still far from that fate.)
Hm... I can almost sympathize with that though.
I bet it's as annoying to deal with an anti-vaxxer as it is to deal with a "beautiful at any size" obese woke woman for a doctor.
While I think doctors should be held to the highest standards of professional conduct, and expected to do the right thing even when it is hard, I at least understand why one would prefer to skip past an unpleasant conversation that will not convince your patient to see reason and change their behavior.
Yeah, such instances of top-down defecting are egregious.
I would still expect that at the ground level MAGA and woke neighbors helped each other out after the hurricanes. But again, maybe I am simply naive.
That's unfortunate. Is there any way for you to file a formal complaint? If you work in a medical setting, surely it isn't expected that people will give worse medical care to their political rivals?
My Woke friends though? A lot of them would actively not help someone in MAGA gear or would respond with verbal abuse.
I wouldn't be so sure here. There are always going to be people like Georges Picquart, who stick their necks out for someone who comes from a group they don't particularly like because it is the right thing to do.
Maybe I am naive, but I think that if you were in an area with heavy winters, most people would stop to help a person of the opposite political tribe whose car had gotten stuck in the snow.
Context might matter though. My guess would be that the higher the stakes, the more likely cross-tribe cooperation becomes. Like, in the aftermath of a hurricane, I expect cooperation to be quite high overall, but if someone is just struggling to move unwieldly furniture, I could see more cases of people just letting a member of the other tribe just struggle. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
So what is new right now, is not technology, but a change in societal norms. And even these norms are not "new", they are frequently seen during the decline stages of empires...
Technology does play a role. We have condoms, the pill, antibiotics, cell phones, and a whole host of things that make it much safer to be a prostitute these days.
Humanity will always have the oldest profession, but we really are living in a technological golden age for prostitutes, where a ton of the risk has been taken out of it, though obviously not all of it.
Not very many of them, however, the typical prostitute does not earn very much(and her job is crazy dangerous, has terrible hours, and is likely extraordinarily unpleasant for much of it). Most sex workers live in poverty, the OF numbers are crazy.
Yeah, people have a bad habit of comparing their salaried work to the top earners in professions with extremely high variance in outcomes. Like, sure, Scarlett Johansson makes absurd amounts of money, but the modal actor or actress is not making much money at all.
I struggle to see how these individuals may square this perspective that sex work is valid, despite fitting the bill of objectification. Perhaps there is something I'm missing?
There are sex negative feminists who largely agree with you here. They tend to be anti-porn and anti-sex work.
Why do you think it would not work?
The guy who actually leaked Trump's taxes got fired and sentenced to 5 years in federal prison. It's not like Trump never gets fair court proceedings.
Heck, he's won a fair few cases in the Supreme Court during this presidency. I actually believe that if Trump had held the case in abeyance, he would have gotten a just outcome from genuinely adversarial proceedings, whatever that might have looked like.
Luckily, we live in a constitutional republic, so occasionally there are checks and balances on abuses of power by one of the three branches of government.
Doesn't mean that Trump isn't in charge of the executive branch. Just means that he doesn't get act like he's an absolute monarch who can do whatever he wants.
Is that wrong? Are there solid charities out there which are either apolitical or lean conservative which provide foreign aid, but were neglected by USAID in favor of some kind of nepotism?
The obvious place to look would be religious charities, wouldn't it?
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That's not really true in any meaningful sense, is it?
Like, sure, an HBD nativist might believe that the importation of black slaves was a poison pill for the United States long term, but even as we let some non-Anglos come and work here, they often couldn't become citizens. And at various points in our history, we had quotas on different groups because we didn't want too many immigrants from those countries.
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