sun_the_second
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sun_the_second
1mo ago
"If we get nuked at least we'd have got rid of some blacks" is certainly one of the takes.
I'm really just curious what kind of a train of thought led you to that.
Receive resources I need to live and thrive (and more, that I want but not necessarily need, besides) without having to physically claw them out of the hands of the haves (if that would even be possible).
A permanent low-status existence is also not ideal even if I got the material things. Status is zero-sum.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Being useful and free to withdraw your services is leverage. Having no leverage is bad in itself.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I don't think our understanding of what "doublespeak" means is the same.
When someone refers to Lovecraftian architecture as "curious and strange", but does not mention the "driving normal people to insanity" part, there can be two primary readings of that.
- They're a supervillain who is plainly stating that they want to drive people insane, except that for some reason their plain statement did not mention the insanity part except for by association with Lovecraft.
- They disagree with Lovecraft on the mood his architecture must evoke, and believe it is (for example) very cool rather than maddening.
If I'm being the best faith possible, I'm going to assume 2. You might interpret it as "misreading" Lovecraft, but I do not hold the man in such high authority as to be indisputable.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Plenty of work is outsourced by all of us to god-knows-who, including work that is much more necessary in both short- and long-term than 2.1 white TFR. Perhaps not you, if you grow your own food, spin and weave your own clothes, mine and smelt your own ore, source your own electricity and defend your own border, all at once.
Besides, by all accounts it is not normal for a human being to care about species reproduction on the global level for you to call one who doesn't a "psychopath". It is not "necessary work", but a purely selfish genetic drive that doesn't work particularly well.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I imagine many people of the more materialist bend are both more likely to be excited by AI and more likely to not believe uploading is extinction (in a way that matters).
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Here's the fullest quote I could find.
Lovecraft uses language to imply the existence of an architecture that is curious, strange, and challenges notions of the architectural norm. To try to design such a Cyclopean city or to draw an acute angle that behaves obtusely would be a lost cause, but to imagine architecture that similarly alludes to a deeper or alternate view of reality is an appealing opportunity that runs counter to the simplification of big singular ideas through reductive diagrams. Perhaps instead of accurately representing the shallow, architecture might now be called upon to provide a sketchy, rough outline of something deeper.
Read plainly, this suggests that the author would like to create "curious and strange" architecture, not "madness-inciting" architecture. "But it says Lovecraft therefore they must mean they want to replicate the worst aspects of Lovecraftian" is an extremely motivated reading.
Note also, Lovecraft's opinion on what is madness-inciting seems to be a lot wider than median.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Why would one assume that "to imagine architecture that similarly alludes to a deeper or alternate view of reeality is an appealing opportunity" means "I want to literally drive you gibberingly insane" unless one already is predisposed to believe those architects are communist supervillains?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Did it never occur to you that earning more money for doing the same work would be better for you?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I am skeptical that:
- Eisenman actually said "I want to maximize psychic harm with [all] my buildings" or something that a person of reasonable IQ and no "cognitive dissonance" could interpret as that.
- This approach of maximizing disharmony and harm can be generalized to all socialist art.
- Disharmony in art (in any amount) is so obviously harmful that you'd have to be low IQ or a motivated thinker to disagree.
- Disharmony in art (in any amount) is so obviously counter to the purpose of art that you'd have to be low IQ or a motivated thinker to disagree.
The quotes from this specific debate will likely not change my mind on 2, 3 and 4.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
You state a lot of mockery against an image of a socialist you have constructed in your head and do not make much of an actual case in favor of "there is correct art and wrongbrained communist art".
sun_the_second
1mo ago
At which timestamps from the debate does Eisenmann state what you paraphrased to "my plan is to create this building, which I believe will maximize the amount of discomfort and pain felt by anyone who gazes upon or enters it" or "I am an architect. I build buildings that harm your mind."? I am not watching all that, but my prior is that you heavily misrepresented what was said because you think communists are evil [and thus they surely must want to make maximally ugly buildings] or because you think those buildings are maximally ugly [and that could only be because communists are evil].
sun_the_second
1mo ago
What does "ignoring any individual characteristics that contradict that belief about the collective" mean? If I meet a few Jews with short noses but don't change my belief that Jews collectively have longer than average noses, am I being racist?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Sounds like a race war-complete option. Alternatively, you can always geographically separate yourself on an individual basis.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
An alleged Stalin quote, at any rate. As Lenin famously said, people attribute all kinds of inanities to famous people on the Internet.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I don't think charity makes any sense when it comes to what you think about politicians. They're not your equals; they never have to even consider your beliefs much less give them charity. Why should you?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Did you transliterate that from memory? I'm always baffled when someone takes the effort of quoting some culturewarism in Russian and gets it so badly wrong. I mean, can't you just copy+paste it from somewhere? Same re: "Holomodor", "Bamkhut" et al.
It's "а у вас негров линчуют" for reference.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
People on this forum are saying out loud "it doesn't matter if the cat story is real or significant, what matters is baiting the dems into drawing attention to the Haitian Question". What is it, then, if not a "hate fact"?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
So you are again saying this doesn't actually happen to any greater extent than it happens with any other person, right?
That's about it, yes. Given that the latest news is that they looked for a person whose cat was eaten, they found a person whose cat was eaten, and the cat was fine.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
You'd expect a media campaign to make something "heard of". And sure enough, the next time someone sees their Haitian neighbour grilling meat, are they going to put it into the "business as usual" bin or into "could be someone's cat" bin?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
There are very few things that don't happen at all. "Even if you could find a few singular cases, there is no significance to them" colloquially means "it doesn't happen" in my book.
This was in response to Vance and Trump going on about "they're eating cats" like it's a daily ubiquitous occurence. I'm fine with the reply being "no, it doesn't happen". Not in Present Simple.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
When you say it doesn't matter, do you mean:
- the few cases of animal eating are blown out of proportion
- even if Trump blows this out of proportion it won't lead to consequences
- you don't care about the consequences to the migrants and adjacent people?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I'm pro-emotional connection and anti-slut shaming, inasmuch as birth control makes chastity obsolete.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Do you really not care about the impact of mass media lies on the society around you, or are you unaware of it?
There is, the mechanic is "would you hate being poor in a dog-eat-dog world more than you'd hate being taxed a lot as a rich man?".
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