sun_the_second
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sun_the_second
28d ago
How do you know when it's universally banned? Asking that question in a poll is like asking "are you a bad human who deserves to rot in jail?"
I notice a complete lack of any social judgment towards those who'd like human cloning to be legal, or anything adjacent to that. For contrast, look at the social judgment towards those who want to look at naked pictures (including obviously drawn pictures) of young women (including the obviously fictional ones) who are 17 years and 11 months old.
If you looked at society without knowing the laws, you'd probably assume that human cloning is legal, it's just that there is no use for it and that's why no one does it.
sun_the_second
28d ago
Are you talking about specific people who have advocated for all that in their lifetime, or about "those people" as a set that spans 100+ years of discourse? In my observation it's gonna be hard to find someone who both hates Nazis and approves eugenics nowadays.
As for Nazi dog whistles, when it appears that the ones most vocally concerned about fertility also have some kind of white ethnonationalist views (when people are concerned about black/black-adjacent fertility it seems to be more along the lines of "they're more fertile than us"), what is one supposed to believe?
sun_the_second
28d ago
What about "I could be replaced by an immigrant"?
sun_the_second
28d ago
Would you classify "deliberate efforts to promote values that compete with populationmaxxing" as "deliberate efforts to reduce the population"?
sun_the_second
29d ago
Surely we'd be able to point a finger at at least one smoking gun case if the traditional remedy claim was relevant?
sun_the_second
29d ago
I'm also less confident that no European-American has never eaten a cat anywhere, but that's no reason to say "they're eating the cats" about that group.
sun_the_second
29d ago
Instead, Christ himself says that we must love our neighbor, and the usage of “neighbor” must mean something, otherwise he would say “everyone”.
Why can't it mean to literally love your neighbor? I've seen enough arguments here that one should care about one's physical neighbors before the fargroup. You're not God, you can't meaningfully love everyone, so love your neighbor.
sun_the_second
29d ago
I'm confident that every election ever has had both parties' thumb slightly on the scales (why wouldn't they and how would one completely stop them?), so either no elections ever were legitimate or there is a way to slightly invalidate the election.
You keep saying "just keep harassing Israel and they'll crumble any second now", but that looks more like wishful thinking than anything. How does this square with the recently discussed observation that Israel is currently the second happiest country among the youth and 18th among the old, 5th averaged? They're up there with European countries where nothing is happening.
sun_the_second
30d ago
But then you're supposed to just support the proxies, not join in personally to "save face". Otherwise that's pretty clearly just asking to start a war.
sun_the_second
30d ago
If it's not interested in a war, why does it stand behind proxies that do?
sun_the_second
30d ago
From what I recall, Amazon Fresh was the one where they needed to outsource the recognition to Indians for double-checking?
sun_the_second
30d ago
I'm not so sure that being the same in structure matters. People get used to prices getting higher easily, it's the economy and shit. What's harder to swallow is the product getting worse despite the very clear evidence that it is possible for it to not be (their memory of 1 year ago).
sun_the_second
30d ago
The entire course of technological progress was us surprising ourselves by jumping through what we thought for millenia was the ceiling. Either we've been achieving superhuman data every time, or there is much more human data than we think.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Seems petty to me to complain about scanning your own items when it's a miniscule additional task compared to visiting the store in person, carrying items from the shelves to the exit and (gasp!) bagging your own items.
I also don't see how using your own phone to scan the things and using your own phone to pay makes it easier. What if I have a 10 year old brick that takes a minute to open anything?
sun_the_second
1mo ago
What exactly is "our neighborhood" and what of stars that are beyond our neighborhood? This just looks like they picked 3 random peculiar stars.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I didn't know what Millenial Lifestyle Subsidy was, but on looking it up it seems very different from what I see enshittifying is.
Enshittifying is when the same service becomes (subjectively of course) worse over time despite the company growing larger and the payment model not changing. More intrusive ads, algorithms changing the way search and front page works, things like that. MLS, from what I looked up, is the same service becoming more expensive, which is not the same thing.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Perhaps not morally wrong, but I do think it's the textbook definition of enshittifying. By making legitimate use directly more inconvenient and bad than illegitimate use, they're making chumps of their customers much more directly than you're made a chump by the self-checkout giving you the option to steal.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
I can scan the same item twice at my local grocery store. (The legitimate use-case is to scan one item X times when you're buying X copies, rather than manually going through the entire stack of the copies).
sun_the_second
1mo ago
See, the contradiction here is that my experience is worse if I obey their profit model, rather than avoid it! It's like buying a legitimate DVD of a movie and then... having to watch 2 minutes of piracy warnings at the beginning, rather than ripping it off torrents and having none of that. It's backwards!
The key distinction here is that the service itself is worse for the honest consumer, rather than the consumer being worse off because they pay money. A waiter handing me a receipt doesn't sour the taste of steak in my mouth, but having to look at ads while I ate it probably would.
The same right as I have to play a freemuim game without paying for it, or use a donation-based service without donating. There's no explicit or implicit contract that says I must pay; they simply expect me to willingly make some money for them.
Like I said, I simply don't viscerally parse it as stealing if I'm not taking any physical items away and they're clearly thriving. Whatever their contract is with their ad providers, or a game developer's contract with a publishing platform, it is beyond my inner morality. If and when it turns out that free ad-based platforms are dying out in favor of paid access only, I will consider how my actions contributed to that. Until then, it appears that my eyeballs are payment enough for Youtube.
P.S. Advertisement and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race, in general. If I watch a thousand ads for a product I don't want and would never buy, or in some cases would avoid out of spite, it appears that both me and the ad provider are worse off.
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Youtube's free to choose a profit model that doesn't enshittify my experience of their service, if they find that adblock is making them struggle. They don't seem to be struggling. (Wikipedia famously makes money from donations. I wonder if Youtube could do that, even in theory.)
I find that letting people who watch ads provide Youtube's profit margin instead of me doesn't make me feel guilty. Perhaps it's because I don't believe they're watching ads out of civic duty, but rather out of indifference/ignorance of adblock.
Compare: freemium mobile games where a couple of whales make it profitable, and the rest of the players are just there to bulk the audience up. Should the f2p players feel guilty, or whales feel like chumps? (Whales should feel like chumps in my opinion, but due to vastly overpaying for pixels, not for being taken advantage of by f2p players).
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Presumably, shops go from "self-checkout" to "hiding shit behind metal bars" because they found out that if they leave things out, they get stolen (more than the shop could absorb through raising prices). Thus, every additional thief contributes to the removal of high-trust features.
(Compare and contrast with media, where several game developers famously endorsed piracy, presumably due to the additional popularity being worth more than the loss on the unsold copies. And music gets uploaded to Youtube by the artists themselves.)
sun_the_second
1mo ago
Most people put media goods in a different mental bin than tangible physical goods I think, even if the physical good is very cheap. That's why "you wouldn't download a car" didn't land with anyone. The to-go rebuttal is "I bloody damn would, if cars could be downloaded".
I can't say your mindset is something I relate to. Even if I didn't have a reptilian aversion to even looking like I'm in position to take something without paying, I imagine I would feel disgusted with myself for contributing to the lowtrustification of my society for the sake of a few dollars of groceries. (I completely lack that aversion when it comes to downloading pirated media from the internet.)
Clearly there are fathers who don't care enough, so this isn't as self-evident "just try it bro" as you think. Why don't you try to put it in words?
From observation it looks like a mix of "I remember her as a little kid so it's forever icky to think of her having sex, but I can abstract it away if it's marriage" and "mildly incestuous possessiveness".
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