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phyg

palingenetic ultrarationalist

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I can imagine either a powerless oracle-entity which is all-knowing, or some bit of information which is entangled, quantum-like, with the bit of information about the universe "does God exist, Y/N?", so the box is (to me) obviously not philosophically paradoxical. Of course, I'm an atheist, so I won't have shared assumptions.

Pascal's Mugging is about a probability which is acknowledged to be negligible, which the mugger asserts should still be sufficient for you to pay up given expected value. I don't see how you're getting that out of any actual proponent of AI safety.

Are you just conflating "we don't understand what we're doing so we can't know that it won't kill us" to "we can't know that it won't kill us", analogous to "we can't know God doesn't exist"? Because the argument from Yudkowsky et al is more like "the default outcome is 'it kills us', as the default outcome for bridge-building is 'it falls down', and we have no idea what we're doing, ergo we're fucked".

I suspect in terms of text available on the internet, where a book that wasn't digitized carries zero weight and an anonymous commenter has weight, on specific issues that "revisionists" like to ask questions about, the revisionist case probably has more weight in the AI's model. After all, it was trained on predicting internet text, and I've never seen anyone expounding unprompted on the logistical details of how the Holocaust happened who wasn't pushing a "revisionist" position.

The antisemitic angle is that, like, one asks "why are the rich evil guys living in squalor?", and while the surface answer is "that's a generic evil trope", the underlying origin of the trope that would have a scheming, wealthy villain who lives in squalor is negative stereotypes about Jews.

In the context I saw it discussed, it was more "this generic evil trope is based on anti-semitism so the series is unconsciously anti-semitic"; this being before Rowling's cancellation the assumption wasn't going to be evil intent.

It's been a while since I read the Harry Potter books, but IIRC there's not much sign that other house elves besides Dobby don't want to be slaves. The problem is we hear so little from them that we're more-or-less just told that Dobby is an exception to the general rule that house elves are natural slaves.

"Effete elite" is part of what Slytherin has going on, but there's stuff like the Slytherin dormitory being in a dungeon, I've seen that called out as based in an antisemitic trope around ghettoes.

Upvoted for cogent analysis, though I'll add that as a staunch transhumanist myself it felt a bit like pulling teeth.

That was my first thought too, primed on mention of physiognomy I think; they're different guys with the right and left labels swapped. I think they're coded the misleading way by their clothing more than there's any physiognomy going on.