jkf
23hr ago
I could see that happening, but yeah, out west we don't do the 'hunt camp' thing as much -- or if we do it's in addition to 'go sit in a good spot (and/or cruise some cutblocks in the truck) for a few hours before/after work'. Nice to have some company for this, but it's also nice to be alone in the woods sometimes.
To be clear the people I'm talking about are ones that I hunt with personally and have observed shooting deer, so you can take that observation with whatever credibility you associate with internet randos (ie. me) -- the one girl who does go by herself is not quite as keen as her husband, but will take a couple horses out for a week ~once a year and come back with meat, so I'm pretty confident she's not secretly meeting up with her husband afterwards to throw his deer in the truck. (although in this case it would also not surprise me in the least if they also engaged in legally ambiguous activities in the event that all the tags aren't filled at the end of the season)
jkf
1d ago
Which is why we have laws against it.
Laws which in practice aren't really enforced when a man is perceived to have gotten himself in over his head -- that's the point.
We have a system for establishing a policy of "Do not do $THING or There Will Be Consequences."
Where $THING <> "force other people to pretend that you've changed your gender" I guess -- y'know, the topic of this thread? Then it's the opposite, right?
People have spent thousands of years moving us up the entropy-slope
No, people have spent about 20 years convincing people like you that resort to violence is not a part of the masculine story -- to the extent that anything's actually changed if you step outside of your coddled environment, it's been at the earliest since after I went to high school.
In which case one approaches the problem by degrees -- prosecute the man who becomes violent over a tiny slight before the man responding to a more serious insult; prosecute the man who attacks someone smaller than himself before the man who picks on someone his own size, &c.
Who's this 'one'? Nobody does that.
Tim Walz' Golden Rule.
What does Tim Walz being a huge hypocrite have to do with anything?
jkf
1d ago
Not so sure about that -- I know three couples like this, and in all cases the women are right there on the trigger.
Only one that will go out on her own though (not a tranny, but possibly naturally a bit high-T), so maybe switch it to 'hunts alone'?
jkf
1d ago
which includes any instance in which the aggressor is substantially stronger, or arranges to have a half-dozen friends when the victim is alone.
Sure doesn't -- first-hand observation here. I'm talking about 'kicking a guy in the head just a cop happens to round the corner' or something -- I've seen both of your examples happen IRL (first one way more than once) and if anything there's even less sympathy for the 'victim' who did something (non-violent) that everyone knew would spiral into a fight with somebody way way bigger and tougher than him.
You moron. Why would you do that?
is the approximate response of everyone from bouncers to cops.
The principle¹ that Alex should not be obligated to follow the demands of Bob the Random Nobody merely because Bob happens to be stronger than Alex
That's not what we're talking about here though -- we're talking about Alex doing something dumb, which he knows will insult or otherwise rouse Bob's personal ire. And doing so in a masculine environment.
This has consequences -- every man knows it, whether or not he will admit it and/or try to hide behind other dudes with guns.
(interesting principle though -- does it also apply to the actions of crybullies who are much weaker than their victims, and yet still issue demands expecting compliance?)
A principle originally dating back to at least the Bronze Age, even if inconsistently applied.
I doubt it, actually -- men fight each other over slights real and imaginary, whether you like it or not -- it dates well before and after the Bronze Age, and up until very recently if they punished everyone guilty of that there'd be nobody left to bring the grain in and whatnot.
jkf
1d ago
if the 'consequences of a bad decision' include extralegal violence, protecting people from it is one of the most fundamental functions of society, and protects you from somebody else deciding that some aspect of your life-style is a 'bad decision' that they are entitled to assault people over.
Donno man, there are a million 'bad decisions' a guy can make in a bar that will 100% get him beat up -- wearing a dress probably isn't even top 50.
And yet somehow society, while it will sometimes intervene if the aggressor is too hard to ignore -- mostly treats barfights over dumb shit as plus-or-minus consentual, and the response trends in the direction of 'even less than if you report your bike stolen'.
That seems incompatible with 'fundamental function of society' -- maybe you meant to say 'protecting women from extralegal violence?'
jkf
2d ago
Well I wouldn't say that it's 'just' a fetish -- it's a fetish in addition to a bunch of social confusion and weird medical enablement.
What were all these people tormented to the point of suicide by their birth-bodies doing about it prior to the invention of current-day medical/hormonal interventions?
jkf
2d ago
communal showers i’m pretty sure went out of style due to increasing wealth making individual stalls more affordable.
Don't think so Tim -- at my high school the girls changeroom had separate stalls, while the boys' was prison-style. (but with nicer tile-work)
Fairly sure it wouldn't have killed the school budget to build the male changeroom to the same specs -- this is just what locker rooms were supposed to be like. (for bonding or something? IDK)
jkf
2d ago
It certainly dropped an impressive array of fireworks, with no apparent defensive response...
jkf
2d ago
Maybe -- but this is the same thing as saying 'men who commit to physical transition don't do so for AGP reasons'. Which I'm pretty skeptical of, given the prominent examples. I'd be surprised if Bruce Jenner didn't have at least aspects of this for instance.
the ones who do are generally disturbed and disregulated enough that they'll get themselves into trouble with undeniably inappropriate behavior pretty quickly.
Either that or they reshape society such that people who complain about their inappropriate behaviour are the ones who get into trouble!
jkf
2d ago
if he's actually on hormones for 10 years, and made permanent changes to his body, I don't think that's very likely.
What's so unlikely about it? Implants are usually... pretty permanent as well, it's not like he's swapping them in and out.
I agree that the 'wearing' addition is an odd turn of phrase, but 'fake breasts' to me applies equally well to ones produced by hormonal as surgical intervention.
jkf
2d ago
Putin apparently now says it was an IRBM, aimed at some kind of missile factory in retaliation for Biden's long-range weapon approval:
https://weapons.substack.com/p/the-fake-icbm-ukrainian-propaganda
jkf
8d ago
Because, y'know, he might defund or ban them, which would very directly suck.
Defund I guess maybe -- but most vaccines were invented 50 like years ago and are kinda cheap?
By what mechanism do you think RFK would ban vaccines though?
jkf
8d ago
Do you have an example conversation here? If the women are literally saying "men amirite" in response to any kinda normal conversation starter, it does seem like a weird crowd.
jkf
8d ago
it was common to object to the HPV vaccine.
Isn't this more of a 'why should my son take a shot so your daughter can (slightly) lessen the risk of her slutting around' thing than a true concern about vax safety?
jkf
8d ago
Truckers (very memorably) were (newly!) banned from crossing the Canada-US border in early 2022 without proof of vaccination -- whether this was hysterical or not is I suppose something we could discuss, but I don't see how it could be because of a thing that was not 'a going concern'?
jkf
8d ago
Maybe -- but the pandemic was still very much a 'going concern' in that period?
jkf
9d ago
Yes, and those options are equally available to good and bad people alike -- indeed I suspect that Bad People are usually a little better at them.
jkf
9d ago
I believe the accepted phrase is "Women! Can't live with em..."
<awkward silence>
jkf
10d ago
You are confusing 'liberalist state with robust rule of law' with 'democracy' -- the two are pretty orthogonal, although in practice they are often seen together these days due to accidents of history.
jkf
11d ago
If you find yourself talking with real salt of the earth rednecks, then I'll recommend you moderate your y'alling so you don't appear like or feel like a phony. They generally won't find "you guys" problematic in the ways urbane, middle class professionals might."
Now I'm picturing a bunch of farmers sitting on a tailgate, chewing straw and scolding me about gender inclusivity -- thanks.
Seems like the only time I might need y'all is if I'm surrounded by a people who are themselves phony y'all'ers -- I do use 'folks' sometimes but have a similar problem in which I feel like I'm impersonating a beardy Berkeley hippie. So many problems...
jkf
11d ago
So what's the problem? The mugshot would be "copyright Waukesha Sheriff's dept" (assuming that it's copyrightable, as you suggest) and the rationale some variation on 'fair use'.
jkf
11d ago
The equivalent article for Charlottesville uses a the work of a newspaper photographer who literally won a Pulitzer for it -- reduced in resolution, relying on fair use I presume. Does WM really think that the Waukesha Sheriff's department is more likely to sue for infringement than an actual news photographer?
jkf
11d ago
I didn't follow the trial livestream, but seem to recall testimony indicating that he was deliberately swerving at people trying to get out of his way (also IIRC there was no police pursuit until after he drove through the parade?) -- seems more like 'going postal' than terrorism to me, but well beyond reckless disregard.
(with the additional spice that the Waukesha Christmas Parade is probably the whitest thing ever, so if one decided to go postal on white people specifically it would be a sensible target -- I don't think 'hate crime' enhancements were pursued though?)
Yeah in some ways it's just that hunting is way easier here -- Easterners talk about hunt camps, deer drives, tree stands and I'm like WTF dude, just go drive around at sunrise +/- a couple of hours.
Doesn't really explain the gender difference though -- women I know (and these are in some cases literal partners in crime growing up; no way they are making up stories about shooting moose to impress me) are solidly either 'why can't you just leave the animals alone' or pretty bloodthirsty themselves -- the middle ground is not there. Cultural I guess.
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