hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
6d ago
The 4B movement will not change America because it will be embraced by an extremely small number of people who all come from subcultures with South Korea-tier fertility already.
It's also, as far as anyone can tell, not the cause of Korea's uniquely low fertility, because Korea's fertility is not uniquely low. It's on the low end of average for the region; Japan is actually an outlier up for developed East Asian fertility. Taiwan, the PRC, Monaco, Hong Kong, Singapore all have extremely low fertility and South Korea is on the lower end of average among that group. Not an outlier. The real question is 'what is Japan doing so right to have nearly double South Korea's fertility rate?' not 'why is South Korea's fertility so low?'.
And why developed East Asian countries have such low fertility rates is mostly known- they're highly urban places which generally have non-abrahamic religions which they barely practice in an ultra-competitive society in which childhood sucks. People don't like putting kids through hell, and South Korean and Chinese childhoods are hellacious. Strivers the world over generally have lower fertility rates, and everyone in these countries is a striver. Add incredibly dense urbanism and the lack of religious influence to raise fertility, it's not that hard to explain.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Genuinely didn't know that, thought polio being eradicated in the western hemisphere+even slightly non-shithole parts of the eastern hemisphere was due to vaccines, like smallpox. Thanks for the context.
In practice I suspect countries which don't have to worry about cholera can skip polio shots, but I now understand why it's still on the vaccine schedule.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Ah, yes, third world migrants are the gift that keeps on giving.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
I mean, Leave it to Beaver managed. It seems obviously doable.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
And polio is a going concern only in a couple of third world eastern hemisphere countries, so you can safely skip that one.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Children in the US are no longer vaccinated for smallpox because the disease is extinct.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Vaccines are not even the sine qua non of modern medicine- no doubt they’re much cheaper than things like modern sewage systems and mass availability of antibiotics, but life expectancy started skyrocketing with improvements in sanitation and treatments for infection with vaccines more an acceleration of trend than a cause of it.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
I mean, there’s not really a not-awkward way to tip more than that.
If a friend gave me a stock tip that lead to me becoming a millionaire in a short time, I’d probably take them to fogo de chao- because that’s the default in my social circle for getting someone a six figure job, and it seems like the closest fit to a rough equivalent. But a stranger doing something personally low effort which results in a big windfall is the sort of thing which our society doesn’t have a script for.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
No one accepts those. Technically American gold eagles are legal tender and you could tip for very large favors with an ounce of gold- and the government has consistently ruled that regardless of face value they are to be regarded as worth the value of their metal content, not their face value.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
This is in fact trivial. It would be good to track the gentleman down, take him to a Michelin restaurant and pay for his children’s college education-it’s not like that isn’t equally trivial to a billionaire- but you don’t owe him more than the usual kindness for a trivial kindness just the same as the janitor at your startup headquarters doesn’t strictly need to get a huge payout at IPO, and you don’t have to give your pizza delivery guy from the night you made your breakthrough a million dollars when you sell the patent for it for a billion.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Couple of observations - first - relative to her demographic cohort the reaction towards Trump and his supporters is unbelievably tame. It is somewhere around 3/10 on the TDS scale. So I don't think that apology is even warranted. Every reasonable person knows that emotions will be high for a while.
Oh boo hoo. I remember Monday night football dropping hank Williams junior over much tamer comments about Obama. The shoe can be on the other foot for a while.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
And we were talking about "parents in the city"
The city in this case is rural Georgia. I doubt whoever reported the kid was a ‘childless cat lady’.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Opposite valence- the culture war objection was ‘why are you assuming my daughter is a whore?’.
I mean, yes, but the fact that vaccine safety was brought up as a serious objection to it indicates that anti-vax sentiment on the right isn’t entirely foreign.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
My whole point, of course, is that things only generate a police report if they're weird. If you make ten year olds going out and about by themselves normal nobody will call the cops.
And perhaps ironically, the first polity who have passed anti-Karen laws was the Mormon one.
A bunch of mormonism's social technology(the mission year, subsidized BYU tuition, singles wards) appears based around being able to separate the young from their families, so that's unsurprising.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
I mean, I live in a neighborhood where I won't have to go first, and I find that a very minor benefit towards expanding my house over moving. But I also live in a filter bubble of people who have gone first and gotten away with it- mine own parents were among them, once upon a time, for letting me bike to 7/11 or the library on mine own far younger than the other children in the neighborhood.
So I think if I had to make that gamble I'd feel comfortable rolling the dice. Lots of people I know did, and it worked out for them.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
It's worth pointing out that nearly all the anti-vaxxers were far left until Covid.
I don't think that's true.
It's true that being categorically anti-vax was extremely rare to the point of being unheard of among normie republicans, but the Alex Jones crowd had conspiracy theories out the wazoo about vaccines and it was common to object to the HPV vaccine. Yes, my filter bubble is less likely to vaccinate their kids against MMR, but the fringes already didn't trust vaccines. It's probably more accurate to say that antivaxxers were mostly far left; the far right getting majorly into alt medicine and opposition to vaccines was not my top prediction five years ago, but it's not a surprise at all. Normie republicans listening to the far right post covid, on the other hand...
hydroacetylene
7d ago
Umm, the percentage of people who are just generally anti vax is not a majority, but it’s much higher than 1%.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
I’m saying no one in my neighborhood would think to call in and report twelve year old boys playing with firecrackers in the street(after all, they appeared to be taking appropriate safety precautions like hiding behind a tree, checking for traffic before going into the road, etc). No doubt in the woodlands and Frisco it is different. But in those places it is so much less common as to be highly unusual. No doubt a man wandering around in a bear suit singing the national anthem would generate a police report, despite not being illegal. Why? Because it’s weird. The solution is to make children playing without direct supervision more normal.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
I live in a suburban area where there is a group of children who run around essentially unsupervised. This past Fourth of July they set off fireworks in the street and hid behind the tree in my front yard(it’s a good tree to hide behind).
This should be the default, but it’s not. I suspect that if all the parents in the city decided to send their kids on mile long walks into main street, something similar would happen, and no one would think about calling in to report it. And that’s the solution, not some words on pieces of paper. Be the counter revolution.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
It doesn’t seem that relevant because Texas courts don’t smile on political-y lawsuits. We’re not at California-level weaponization of the justice system.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
including leftists just being able to straight-up fedpost at people, in a way they’d never want RWers to get away with.
Your description of this poster makes her fed posting sound more humorous than threatening.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
She was effectively a co-founder with Bezos who also had a full time job so he could dedicate himself to the company building IIRC. Figuring out who’s fortune was who’s was less important when they were married but giving her a massive chunk in the divorce is pretty fair.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
That's... basically exactly what the actual standards of care say to do? You start with therapy and just discussing the issue to get a feel for where the kid really is. You don't just drop them on HRT instantly.
In practice, the motte has- numerous times- provided sources showing that this is not what actually happens.
hydroacetylene
7d ago
and the school is merely respecting their privacy.
Kids don’t have privacy from their parents, especially not at the behest of a third party institution.
I'm not worried about humanity going extinct. I am worried about losing the ability to maintain an industrial society. Like there will be Amish in 200 years, but an all-subsistence-farmer society sucks. And yes, I am aware that the Amish are not pure subsistence farmers, but they depend on being able to trade with industrial society for inputs like solar panels to maintain the not-subsistence-agriculture parts of their society.
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