daguerrean
5hr ago
There's something very David French about this, but I suppose that's just being Christian, and what makes them such frustrating fellow travelers. I think it's the sense that they would rather lose as long as they satisfy their own personal feelings of being a good person first and foremost. It's like a desire for martyrdom or something, they active want to lose while feeling righteous about their own goodness. Because if your goal is "live in a neighborhood without violent drug addicts", handing out free things to violent drug addicts directly undermines that. With allies like these, who needs enemies? Like, one could very easily donate to some kind of cause that aids the homeless without actively undermining one's own neighborhood. If there were actively violent drug addicts congregating outside my house and I found out my neighbor was giving them free shit I would be just about ready to kill my neighbor.
daguerrean
11hr ago
The suspect may have been wanted for assault and was known to be illegal which caused DHS to prioritize deporting him. Why do you assume they delegated the arrest for assault to DHS? He may have been wanted by two separate organizations for different reasons. This seems like the plain reading.
daguerrean
11hr ago
Your choice, at the margin, increased such situations.
Indeed. The fact he reacted to a homeless guy sleeping in a park within sight of his house with “Won’t someone think of the poor homeless guy and help him” is exactly why we are in this mess in the first place. We need more people whose first thought is “Ew, get that disgusting bum out of my park” if we are ever to have hope of solving this.
daguerrean
11hr ago
I have it on good authority this country was founded on White Supremacy so I think we should do away with such racist traditions
We can see the agent has already disarmed him and is holding the gun in his hand and is walking away, he is several feet away by the time the gunshot goes off. In the video, you can see he looks over his left shoulder when the first shot goes off, not down at the gun in his right hand. Even if he wasn't sure where the sound came from, he would've felt the gun discharge. Furthermore, none of the other agents whip around and look at the guy running away with the gun, which would've been the source of the sound. The overwhelming evidence points to the gunshot being from the ICE agent that had pulled out his gun and pointed it at the guy's back immediately before.
daguerrean
14hr ago
Exactly, if the gun went off in his hand even if we wasn't sure where the sound came from he would've felt it. The fact he looks over his shoulder is pretty much proof (as far as I'm concerned) it wasn't the gun in his hand that went off.
Two experiences don't need to be identical in every way to be serving the same basic purpose and impulses. And you know there's the whole "you never step in the same river twice" thing, so it's always possible for motivated persons to say "No these two things really have important differences." For example, it is often said that sports games and sports fandom serve the same impulse as actual tribal warfare. You go to a special place, decked out in your tribe's colors, wearing scary facepaint and you scream and shout and exhort your tribe's warriors to smash the warriors from the other tribe. Obviously we could sit here all day and list differences between actual warfare and football, which of course are numerous and significant, but that doesn't mean that there isn't some real deep similarity here. I think the same could be said for confession and therapy. Of course the differences are numerous, but at a very basic level, you go to a special place you don't visit in every day life and you talk to a special person (not your brother, friend, wife or coworker) where you can let out your deepest, darkest secrets without fear of social consequences, and you come away being told that "it's okay to feel how you're feeling and it's all gonna be okay", although the exact path to being okay might be different (saying some number of prayers vs taking medication vs whatever).
daguerrean
15hr ago
and tear out pages that he already read. To lessen his baggage load.
This feels performative in some strange way because at most it could save him the weight of a single book (because when he's done he doesn't have to tear any pages out, just give the book away whole), and most of the time he's only saving the weight of about 50% of pages in a single book. In that way it reminds me of people that slice books in half along the spine when they carry them to read on the NYC subway, also very performative.
I think it is attempting to signal what you said above, like an anti-fetishism, and signal a seriousness about the information within as opposed to the object itself. It also reminds me of the masculine fetishizing of optimization as a sort of ascetic ideal. Like you have hikers bragging about micro-optimizations, shaving grams off their pack weight, or bodybuilders eating nothing but plain boiled chicken. All these things strike me as equally performative for the vast majority of partakers.
daguerrean
1d ago
Gun went off accidentally after he was disarmed
Guy reaches for waistband
I really don't think these things are true, there is basically no evidence for an accidental discharge and the first gunshot happens very shortly after the first ICE agent pulls his gun and puts it up against the guy's back. By then, the agent that had disarmed him has already turned and is heading away, so there is no active struggle over the gun. I think the evidence points towards the ICE agent shooting him much more than an accidental discharge.
I don't see any evidence the guy reached for his waistband, and it's kind of irrelevant anyway because at that point his gun had already been taken and the ICE agent was walking away with it. And assuming the first discharge wasn't accidental, at that point he had already been shot in the back once.
daguerrean
1d ago
I'm a convert, was an atheist for most of my adult life
Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else, but I thought you alluded to being a teenager in other places?
daguerrean
1d ago
I'm just so viscerally disgusted by this method of "shrieking women" protest, blowing whistles nonstop, trying to be as annoying as possible that I can't even be objective about this. This seems like an obvious failure of this type of protest strategy, anything that's annoying to ICE agents will also be annoying to the audience. I just can't bring myself to sympathize with people who are being maximally annoying, it's like a bully kid doing the whole "I'm not touching you" thing. This protest method may be effective in generating these snapshot moments of violent reprisal that work on some people, but for me it has the exact opposite effect. I watch about five seconds of one of these videos and have decided quite firmly that I hate the protestors. Additionally the way women react to violence just disgusts me, you see this in body cam footage from ghetto shootings too. The moment something happens dozens of fat women materialize somehow and just start shrieking their heads off. Maybe it has some sort of evolutionary purpose, like summoning aid or something, but god, whatever evolutionary impulse is totally absent in me.
Perhaps it was unjustified, and if so, so what? Any sufficiently large scale operation will have things go wrong, especially when you have large numbers of people that are trying to harass, antagonize and violently obstruct things. Chernobyl happened, does this mean nuclear power is evil or forever forbidden? Car accidents happen and vehicular manslaughter happens, does this mean we should abandon cars? I'm not very moved by an individual incident, especially when the victim appears to have gotten into a violent confrontation with ICE, resisting arrest, while carrying a gun, that's Darwin Award territory.
My reaction would be, let's investigate this properly and perhaps prosecute the agents involved. But this should in no way cause us to pause ICE operations and is in fact a very good reason for the media to stop agitpropping retarded leftists into getting into violent confrontations with ICE.
Edit: For the record, after reviewing all the angles, I can say that the shooting appears to be unjustified. I don't think he reached for his weapon and I don't think it accidentally discharged, I think an ICE agent just basically executed him by shooting him in the back then shooting him a few more times when he attempted to stand. That said, this is an extremely predictable outcome of having a gun in your waistband when choosing to physically confront ICE and resist arrest.
daguerrean
1d ago
I don't understand the point of this rule. It is less a comment and more of a sign saying "[Talk about the recent Minneapolis shooting here]", what is the harm in that? We could just put into Chatgpt "Generate 200 words of filler text that will make Amadan happy that really says nothing about the recent Minneapolis shooting". I would get it if he had some low effort take and posted the link with his only comment being "Looks like another murder by the fascist death squads" but I don't really consider this different from a megathread. If you're starting a megathread, does the post body need to be substantive? No, it is more or less the same just "Talk about the recent Minneapolis shooting here"
Initial thoughts, this reminds me of 2020 in the leadup to BLM. Remember Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor? I think the Arbery shooting was in February and Taylor in March and then Floyd of course came at the very end of May. In retrospect there was a clear agitation by the media, and it took them about 4 months or so to rile people up enough for mass action. The first case (Arbery) didn't do it and. neither did the second. I think we're seeing a similar agitation by the media for Spring/Summer 2026. I don't think this case will do it (it's a White man that died), but be on the lookout for something in April that finally activates people.
daguerrean
2d ago
You are following the pattern of every poster on here that gets a reputation as some sort of big shot, you have become a jackass that believes you're better than everyone else here because of a posting reputation from years back. Amadan is willing to give you leeway because of "a long record of AAQCs" which you feel entitles you to just be an ass and sneer at everyone. It's always amusing to see this process happen and inevitably lead to flameouts and permabans, I enjoy it immensely every single time :)
daguerrean
2d ago
It may be afforded some additional respect at a low level, but it isn't really afforded prestige, maybe that's a better word for what I'm driving at. If you came from a wealthy, elite family and attended Phillips Exeter or something, would "cop" be considered a valid and respectable career path your family would be proud of? Not really. Tech, finance, doctor, lawyer, academia, those would be considered prestige jobs that would be acceptable for a son of the elite. So while police officers get some ground-level respect at the local diner, it's not really a high prestige. Nobody with a son at an elite private school is saying "I hope he grows up to become a police officer!" And basically the same goes for the military, of course it wasn't always this way but it is now.
daguerrean
2d ago
I don't think it is reasonable to expect cops to put their lives on the line in a society that affords them no additional respect. As the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", and I mean "pay" holistically in cash but also in social status and respect. The left wants cops to be culturally conversant therapist mental health experts fluent in six languages, the right wants them to be warriors ready to give up their lives in an instant, but most cops are just people that wanted a job. We could hypothetically get warrior poet therapists willing to lay down their lives at the drop of a hat but we would have to pay them exorbitantly and afford them enormous social status in order to attract the rare person able to fulfill those qualifications.
I think of some of this stuff like an RTS game or something where a society can choose how to allocate its units. And as a society we definitely aren't allocating (through incentives) the kind of hyper-competent people necessary to fulfill the left and the right's fantasies of cops to actual police work. So as I said, you get what you pay for. So yea, this cop is shitty, but I don't blame him, that's just the caliber of person we are choosing to allocate to policing.
daguerrean
3d ago
I at least give them credit, they don't label these things as "contradictions" or "inconsistencies" but just "tensions" and they provide in their writeups ideas for how you might reconcile them. I think some of their writeups missed several ways to resolve the tensions but ultimately it wasn't bad.
For instance, in the scenario where you find a social media video claiming that Muslim men are taking emergency accommodation from British veterans, if you just pick the "find out more about this topic online" option, apparently you just find persuasive statistics and research data.
I did find this extremely amusing in a darkly totalitarian way. Apparently "Look up more information" is a wrong answer, it is wrong to even attempt to engage with, research, fact check or read about any wrongthink position. You are just supposed to detect wrongthink and close your eyes and ears. It is really striking to me, it seems like the UK has literally criminalized dissent on the issue of immigration, how could this possibly be? How could their population tolerate it?
Edit: The exact wording for the choice above in the game was “Find out more about the topic online”, the topic being immigrants consuming resources for British veterans. The games next text then is “Charlie wasn’t sure if the video was true but the other recent encounters made them curious. Charlie went directly to the account’s website and found research papers, statistics, information about protests, and more regarding the ‘replacement’ of white people.”
daguerrean
6d ago
I will admit the revisionist history I see from redditors regarding the prequel trilogy is surprising. I was a kid that was pretty much the target audience for the prequels when they released in the 90s, and even as an eight year old they were underwhelming and immediately forgotten. The only parts that genuinely made an impression on kids and entered into the canon were: Darth Maul and double-bladed lightsabers, podracing (mostly because of the great Nintendo 64 game). While there was hype for the Phantom Menace, parts 2 and 3 were attended with no hype, even from children.
daguerrean
6d ago
I essentially agree with you, but I doubt it has much to do with his own mortality, he has simply always been this way. He has always emblazoned his name in giant gold letters on skyscrapers, it's just kind of who he is. I think now that we are halfway through his final term it is obvious that he won't be able to remake American society wholesale and his enemies will always hate him, there is no changing either of those things. So like you said, I think he seeks to emblazon his name on world history. If the USA acquired Greenland his name would certainly be indelibly written into the history books, I don't think there is much of grand strategy angle to it. Most of this stuff seems relatively harmless, and frankly it's potentially a good thing for a US President to have a strong drive to be considered great.
Okay, I just played the game and I have to say I don't think they were trying to make her repulsive. They were clearly trying to make the point that "falling down the far right rabbit hole" can be easy, seductive and come with social reinforcement that makes it seem desirable. They also show the main character receiving tons of 'likes' and online affirmation. Amelia seeming cool and attractive sort of goes with this and I think was trying to underscore the point that it isn't just old boomers that can have "dangerous ideas" the same way that an after school special about the dangers of drug usage and peer pressure would show the drug using teens as cool and attractive not some random bum on the street.
daguerrean
7d ago
There is a certain annoying rationalist-ish tendency to notice meta-level patterns and thereby conclude that there is no truth, or that truth is irrelevant, that there is nothing but patterns and that all things that can be fit to the same pattern must be interchangeable. Of course the other side has an isomorphic complaint, but it is simple, they are wrong and I am right.
What is truth? said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.
daguerrean
7d ago
I speculate that the motivations behind some of the protesting has a purely psychological etiology: excitement from a sense of purpose + externalizing the problems which plague one’s own life.
I think this is a significant factor. You probably get to feel like a superhero responding to an alert somewhere in the city and hopping onto your rented e-bike like the Batmobile. Then there is the whole psychological aspect of just getting to scream at ICE for as long as you want, any insults you can imagine. In a way it strikes me like a form of those "Scream Clubs" you see in leftist cities, just like the dark/evil version of them. I never understood the appeal of those scream clubs to begin with, but they seem very popular among women. Like the woman pictured in the article basically matches my mental model of what someone screaming at ICE would look like perfectly.
All this is true, but this doesn't excuse the shooting. An analogy would be the classic one feminists hate, woman walks down the street in a bad neighborhood alone at 2AM drunk in a skimpy outfit, gets raped. She was stupid and this was a predictable outcome of her decisions, but that doesn't mean the rapist is suddenly a good person and his actions are excused and he should get off scot-free. Here, the guy was stupid and his actions predictably resulted in his death. However, the evidence certainly seems to point to the ICE agent shooting him in the back when he was already subdued by about 5 agents, his gun was taken and the agent with the gun was already well clear of the scuffle. There is just no excuse for that. Additionally the administration is obviously lying by calling him a domestic terrorist that tried to assassinate law enforcement. This situation feels very clearcut and easy to interpret.
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