atavist
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atavist
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2yr ago
Mostly I'm responding to "They should not be treated as minorities in need of protection any longer" from the grandparent, and its examples of different groups with different experiences.
I had read your statement as implying "proper minorities should be protected from analysis & criticism" (otherwise, how does that connect to "seething mistrust/not say anything/resentment"? Your statement feels like singling out a single group for no reason if they're not connected; and if they are connected then my statement is pointing out how the Jewish experience of the Holocaust is relevant to modern fetishization of identity).
The base rules of our debates (which reward photogenic trauma) and the common topics for debate (finding someone unphotogenic on whom to inflict trauma) sadly make the holocaust relevant.
It sounds like you want the Jewish group in particular to stop defending themselves by bringing up their experience, and that you believe that this will improve public debate; I don't agree with the expected outcome or the model by which things work. Maybe I misunderstand!
In my opinion, Kanye's no guiltier than lots of other public speakers obsessed with genital-color-and-configuration. He found someone unphotogenic to blame. He picked Jews. Turns out, they're photogenic; he got punished far beyond what he expected.
Jewish people tweeting about him and calling him an antisemite in response seem well within the Overton window, and are responding to rational incentives (sort of, since the whole situation is a double-bind). Dogpiles, journalism, and social media suck but that's surely a different topic (anyway, unilateral Jewish disarmament wouldn't help). Whether you consider Jews minorities or not, it should be within bounds to point out when someone's speech is bigoted.
When Kanye's every business deal falls through, though, I think we have a pressure point that's not acceptable.
This has relatively little to do with anything I would call a "Holocaust card", and everything to do with creeping authoritarianism, deep rifts in civil society, and a frightening absence of freedom of speech.
atavist
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2yr ago
Irish & Armenians I'll give you -- like the Jews, the Irish and the Armenians were victims of genocidal policies; it's at least a topic for debate what should happen with the surviving remnant of an incomplete atrocity.
But is there some genocide of Italians which I've forgotten? In particular, Rome conquered Israel, Ireland and Armenia in ancient times; it's an odd hodge-podge to stick them up as a neutral example of overcoming bias alongside the other two!
I don't quite understand what (other than the passage of time?) invalidates a "holocaust card", but I believe that the targeted mass murder of ancestors for shared attributes is relevant to discussions about identity and minority status, even in countries which didn't engage in that murder, and that 75 years isn't necessarily enough time to declare the topic closed. Certainly I believe 2000 years is; maybe 300 years is, maybe 300 years isn't; no opinion.
I think you're saying that in a perfectly egalitarian world, being Jewish would be no more relevant to politics than being seventh generation Italian-American. Often that's actually true today, so take heart!
Maybe you see the holocaust brought up in arguments where it feels out of context? I personally hear it come up when discussing "bright" ideas such as counting jews (, gentiles, asians, blacks, ...) in jobs or other positions of power, such as accusing groups of malice based on their immutable characteristics, such as other political experiments that point at the gulag.
I think that there is no Holocaust card; there are only political debates which reward demonstrations of trauma, and conversations which somehow keep making the trauma relevant (these are often but not necessarily the same thing).
atavist
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2yr ago
Regularly using your body helps but IMO it's not clean-cut; your comment is ambiguous enough that I'm going to elaborate.
I'm pushing 40 and still have chronic ~inexplicable back pain since my teens. I'm not a paragon of effort, but I'm not a slug either. I run a 5K every second day (for more than 4 years now!), alongside a variety of physical activities (think pilates, modern dance, HIIT, etc; Covid's response disrupted but didn't completely stop 'em). Sure, I could probably do more, but I could also do an awful lot less, so I claim I'm a relevant data point.
These help manage the pain, but it isn't as rosy a picture as your comment paints.
Physical activity is definitely a tool more people should try and should try more of with a plethora of benefits (mood! confidence! sunlight-if-you-do-it-outside! etc). However, I can read your comments as saying "if only the people with bad-brains-pain would move more, it'd go away". It sadly isn't universal or a fix; I'm living proof.
("ahah!", I imagine that you say, "I didn't mention chronic back pain, just chronic lyme; back pain is different!" Well, maybe. I dunno. I can't tell. Probably? Maybe that's the deal; 80%+ of chronic lyme is bad-brains, while only 25-75% of back pain is bad-brains and the remainder is the back pain of the gaps? Who knows!)
("that back situation sounds like it sucks, man; sorry", I go on to imagine from you, because that's the kind of forum this is going to be ;) )
Maybe what you mean is "assembly is bad at scopes" (in that the "whatever you want to do in your loop" has to remember which registers you've already used for other purposes outside of the loop; the same problem arises for procedure calls)?
Seems fair, but I agree with @SubstantialFrivolity that it's weird to characterize that as assembly being bad at loops. It's bad at naming. And getting the name of your complaint right is half the battle -- the other half is cache invalidation and the other half is off by one errors.
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