anti_dan
21hr ago
I am tempted to respond merely with, "go on", but, being in a charitable mood I will explain why I think this reply is very stupid.
The "death penalty" thing is just always stupid in these situations. It logically devolves into anarchy in, actually, very few steps.
Let me assume, for the sake of argument that there is a law wherein the penalty is short of death that you believe in. Maybe something like burglary to a home (which both residents of the home and police could legally shoot fleeing suspects within living memory) or even something more trivial like theft from a retail store.
The penalty for noncompliance is always death. Dont believe me? Go to Target. Steal a bunch of shit. When Loss Prevention tries to stop you, fight them. When they try to transfer you to police custody, fight them. When you are in jail, fight the jail guards. When they try to take you to court, fight more. Eventually, you will either die as a result of the response to your opposition to the law, or you will die in a cell for your infinite transgressions thereof (in a functional criminal justice system, in Minnesota you might get like a $12 million dollar jury award for biting off an officers nose, who knows at this point).
Non-compliance with the law always results in death unless you terminate your noncompliance. Its just a matter of time and place and manner.
anti_dan
21hr ago
As someone who has worked a job where you encounter a lot of criminals, your sentiments are not unheard of. Both the part where you dont really care anymore and the part where you feel swamped with idiots who insist on giving them chance number 1200. Because of this, I basically went into, "do your job" mode, wherein I defined doing my job as getting results that were, averaged over all cases, beneficial to the public. Sometimes this meant bad results on individual cases. A sorta bad guy gets a decent offer because a really bad guy has trial scheduled the same day. Sometimes it means driving a hard bargain even on a bad case for a bad guy and risking him getting no sentence at all because the conduct you allege is so egregious.
I think the plan of doing your job mostly works when you are encountering the dregs of society. Any other plan will cause you troubles.
anti_dan
2d ago
The relevant clause in the constitution reads:
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
The three fifths clause now being stricken as slavery was abolished.
anti_dan
2d ago
I do not understand your point. Are you saying that some illegal committing violent crimes in MN will harm the union by making MN less well run, which in turn will lead to them paying less federal taxes? This seems like an extremely indirect effect, and could be used to have the feds crack down on whatever crime they dislike.
No, I'm saying illegal aliens are counted in the census, and thus they give non-compliant states more votes in congress and the electoral college. PLUS the illegals get federal welfare in many cases, and in all cases their American-born children do + get federal education dollars.
NB: the obvious fix for census fraud is to bring back the 3/5th rule to elect the president by popular vote, and assign the number of Representatives based on the people who voted in the last election.
National popular vote incentivizes voting fraud even more than the current system, because blue cities in blue states would rack up even more fake ballots as it would actually matter.
Instead, now, the only places where fraud is worthwhile is swing states where there is at least the potential for bipartisan oversight (even though we know this can be frustrated fairly commonly, such as in Fulton County).
anti_dan
2d ago
Bad idea for many reasons, including that the children of illegals would still eventually be supported by federal dollars for both school and welfare. But most of all, this just inflates the census numbers for sanctuary states, granting them more votes in the electoral college and more congressmen in congress.
anti_dan
3d ago
Why should the tax dollars of women living in Amarillo, Texas be spent to keep women in in Minneapolis safe just because their local state and municipal government has (hypothetically) decided not to invest in keeping them safe? How often do illegals get on a greyhound bus and go on a rape trip in the next state, really? If California abolishes all police tomorrow, will Trump send in federal agents to direct the traffic in LA?
This answer is obvious. This failure dilutes the voting power and saps the taxpayer resources from everyone else in the nation.
There is strong evidence, illegals aside, the last census was highly fraudulent and sent lots of extra political power to Democrats. There is also lots of evidence illegals compounded that.
anti_dan
3d ago
If someone with a (D) after their name wanted to enforce lawful immigration policy we would see complaints and pushback and then the Democrats would back down and not do it.
We had the little kid from Cuba.
Democrats are allowed to deport even children that are likely to become Republicans.
anti_dan
3d ago
I think OP offered that up. Go after companies hiring illegals was the plan.
Requires a law being passed. Is impossible unless Democrats AND RINOs both face a wipeout.
anti_dan
3d ago
I thought I could come out here for a month, relax with friends, write some articles for my blog, do some skiing. Nate Silver, ever the pollster, says the country is largely sympathetic to Minneapolans, but says the country at large doesn't feel as though it is living in a time of creeping authoritarianism, and I get that. But out here, living in it, we just wonder "how many more?"
I mean, isn't the answer, eventually, up to the people going out and harassing police? If I, a person with no criminal history, went to the house of a known murderer, and armed myself, and had compatriots in my pro-murder cause, then saw a fellow murderist being arrested and I tried to pull officers off my murderist friend, what would be the result?
We can hope the police are good enough to merely send me to prison for a few years. But, reality is that force in resistance of lawful authority endangers everyone in the vicinity, including officers and yourself. ANd if an officer kills a bystander, I am the one who should be charged with murder.
anti_dan
3d ago
a) All of this is necessary because of Sanctuary Policies that the Police Don't Co-Operate with DHS, so ICE Must Go Looking For The Criminals. Why don't they hang out outside the county jail and question people on their immigration status there on their release? Why don't they hang out at the courthouse - recall, a judge was just convicted of obstruction for preventing ICE from arresting someone at a hearing, they can sit in the gallery and question everyone's immigration status at the end of every hearing! You would be much more likely to arrest people guilty of criminal acts if you did this, than going door to door and getting into fights with protestors.
The jails are under guidance, at least in MN to scout for this and inform detainees of ICE presence. They are barred from courtrooms regularly. And to put a point on it, your plan is totally inefficient. Most places wont have who your are looking for unless you already know, which you dont because no one is sharing information with you.
3000 agents is still a tiny force. And apprehending fugitives is extremely time intensive.
By way of example:
The Great Lakes Regional Fugitive Task Force (GLRFTF) began operations in April of 2003 and was among the first Regional Fugitive Task Forces to become fully operational following the Presidential Threat Protection Act of 2000. The GLRFTF has partnership agreements with over 90 federal, state, and local agencies and has 7 fully operational offices. The Great Lakes Regional Fugitive Task Force has successfully apprehended over 117,700 fugitives since its inception and has made an extraordinary impact on the apprehension of the region’s most dangerous and violent fugitives, always striving to make their communities safer.
20 Years. 90 agencies. Barely over 100k arrests. The way modern law enforcement works is largely by normal warrant processes. A guy does a crime. He either goes to court to address it, or he doesn't and a warrant is issued. Then he, being a criminal, does something stupid like blow a red light. He is then arrested and brought to the judge that he skipped court on. That normal process doesn't work for ICE in Minnesota. As a result they have to do GLRFTF level work for every illegal in the state. The GLRFTF does not deploy resources for normal crimes. Its basically only for murder, attempt murder, armed violence, and sex crimes. Everyone else, your retail thieves, your car thieves, simple robbers, drunk drivers, all you gotta do is not violate a traffic law for the duration of the statute of limitations and you can get away with a felony. Now, you, being a felon are unlikely to possess that skill, but you can try!
Minnesota is basically forcing ICE to treat immigration enforcement like other police agencies treat Criminal Sexual Assault, and then also letting people harass them while they try to execute that mission, which with the GLRFTF would typically involve at least 1 team of 2 officers sitting on a location, often multiple teams of 2-3 sitting on multiple locations for multiple days. Which obviously would be frustrated in purpose by people surrounding the police cars and blowing whistles. Not exactly conducive to finding a guy evading arrest. Imagine if every pedophile had a defense force of people at his home, his mom's house, and his sisters house blowing whistles whenever police were there. He's probably not getting arrested anytime soon.
And that is the current situation in Minnesota. Minnesota also should be viewed as both an outlier, and a pilot program. Many states are sanctuary states, but many of them also have police forces in quiet rebellion that actually do let ICE know, just on the down low. But ICE will have to take on California and New Mexico sometime in the future, and it was likely decided to try to figure out what could possibly work in a very leftist state with a very modest goal before going after the big fish.
anti_dan
4d ago
Then again, the even smarter thing would be for them to call off this whole punitive ICE expedition.
That would just be endorsing nullification so long as the left decides it can sac a few pawns.
anti_dan
5d ago
There is fairly strong evidence Arbery wasn't "just a jogger". That you bring it up in that way is pretty strong evidence to me that your media diet probably should be amended.
anti_dan
6d ago
What's wrong with carrying a gun in a public place in Minnesota ? Isn't are American LEO not trained to handle situations with gun-owners peacefully ?
Peaceful gun owners, yes. Not ones who enter into a rugby scrum with officers.
anti_dan
6d ago
Yeah, that's politics. Why are you surprised ? The adversary baits you, but do you need to bite ? The protests are getting more heated, because Trump is biting onto the bait.
I dont think this is true. The nature of these riots makes it impossible for ICE agents to utilize public roads without provoking violence. If ICE does anything other than a complete withdrawal, these incidents will continue to happen, and they will continue to escalate into deadly use of force scenarios. We were actually getting close to the same point in the Chicago area a few months ago, but then some backroom deal was struck with the Johnson, Pritzker, and Homan (which they will all deny happened, but clearly did) and now random people aren't tailing ICE vehicles, ICE facilities aren't under siege as CPD watches paint cans fly at officers heads, and ICE aren't picking abuelas up out of taco stands, but they are being allowed to casually pick people up from the jails even though they aren't being officially "notified" when ICE warrants pop.
anti_dan
7d ago
"Part Time" and "Town" are giveaways. The kind of town with part time officers will almost always be low crime, and cops will be respected culturally. His main job would be writing speeding tickets to out of towners, writing DUIs (but only to the REALLY DRUNK drivers), amd responding to domestic incidents. In the latter two his judgement is respected by the community and if he deems the person arrestable, they lose an immense amount of social status, regardless of conviction (which is basically guaranteed).
That has almost nothing in common with the experience of a police officer in Chicago or Memphis.
anti_dan
7d ago
But could you have gone 20 years with that amount of income and maintained a level of humanity that doesnt seem sympathetic to a media person?
anti_dan
7d ago
1k per month is just like...nothing? The average welfare recipient is getting about that much from one program alone, often more if they are in subsidized housing, have subsidized pre-k, etc. The selling point of a UBI is you get to get rid of all the hoops and ladders and qualifications and bureaucrats that traditional welfare needs. But the only way for a UBI to replace those things is for it to replace them. And, if you set UBI at a level where an unemployed single mother of 2 can live and support the family, or be employed and buy childcare, well we are talking in the 40k+ range. My understanding is that many families legitimately receive over 80k in benefits yearly. Converting that into UBI is obviously impossible mathematically. And if you dont, you cant get rid of the rest of welfare without there being a lot of crying "hungry" children being paraded in front of the news.
anti_dan
10d ago
They are both stupid. The former is significantly less evil in practice in that 1) If it works for you, like Genghis Khan, then it is what it is; and 2) Its not supported by majority narratives, so it hurts far less people practically.
Now, its true that far more women in the world will secure 6-6-6 men than men will acquire 6+ women harems that are functional. But since several orders of magnitude more women expect 6-6-6 than expect 6+, the former is significantly more evil as an idea in the world. Its kinda like how murderers are more evil than ghosts.
anti_dan
10d ago
Yes yes, it's very fun being a free rider. Convenient that there are still enough rubes that we can get away with it for a while.
I am not convinced that people using adblock or not buying advertising products are free riders. I suspect its anyone who's revenue is derived from ads.
anti_dan
10d ago
I'm not sure I accept your premise that advertising is a net negative. There are certainly many things I have gladly purchased that I found out about through advertising. My intuitive sense is that ads have had a net positive or at least net neutral impact on my life, not a negative one.
Many? I can only think of one thing in my entire adult life, which was a type of pants for being a bum on the couch that I hadn't tried before. And if I had never learned about them I would be like .001% less comfortable the 10 days a year I wear them instead of normal sweat pants.
anti_dan
10d ago
The problem with this theory is that a lot of his moves are not even close to insta-wins. Accepting Obama's proposal that Iran is the new American Ally in the Mid East is an insta-win. Instead he went with a complicated Israeli-Saudi led alliance that has only paid off in ways that 9/10 advisors would have told him would fail.
Same happens basically everywhere abroad.
Domestically his successes are more limited, mostly because his power is more limited and media is stronger. If he could just get blue states to cooperate with ICE with a magic wand and proceedings could be expedited, he would be above his February approval ratings. Instead, doing his promises necessarily looks scary. He's got a harder job.
Speedy trial considerations. You can't do multiple trials, particularly jury trials at once
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