YoungAchamian
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YoungAchamian
3d ago
There it is, the Darwin tell:
By this definition you are a Dean Alt.
It might shock you but not everyone here is a no-lifer who's primary hobby is arguing on the internet. You are kinda telling on yourself, go touch grass. Furthermore when you take a stance that is opposite to the Motte's consensus you tend to get a lot of shit. Not everyone is worth responding to and not getting to someone is not indicative to being an alt.
Just cuz you and MKC got into it in another thread doesn't mean you need to follow them to hear to start shit again.
EDIT: after reading this new thread you both need to get modded, holy shit.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
they weren't even threatening him.
In what world is detaining someone with a drawn gun after you chased them down in trucks, not threatening them?? Such a weird position to take. Considering the McMichaels were convicted of this one, its also a wrong position to take. and I say this as someone who was originally on the McMichaels' side when it first all went down.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
FIRE is among the many, many, many organizations who lost their way and don't support what they say on the tin.
Wait since when? It sounds like you are just pissy that they have principles. Meaning they defend free speech even when its a conservative in the executive.
Their archive has a ton of recent cases that do not cleave to a left vs right dichotomy but instead a free speech principled stance. https://www.fire.org/cases
I have never heard high/low-trust used to describe "Why can't we just have fistfights? Why is everything a fight to the death?" that seems so misattributed that I think you are making it up. I have heard it used to describe things that have to do with... trust.
- Like leaving your car/house unlocked at night,
- expecting the police to treat your cordially,
- expecting your fellow citizens to not be exploiting the government aid,
- expecting a jury to rule along the facts instead of by the tribe,
- returning shopping carts,
- The state not assuming everyone is a fraud/doing your paper work correctly
- expecting hiring to be based on merit not kinship
- people cooperating instead of immediately defecting
Fundamentally high-trust societies make anonymous cooperation feel normal. Getting into fist fights instead of death fights literally has nothing to do with that. "Fist fights instead of death fights" can happen in both low-trust and high-trust environments. Making it independent of the high-trust/low-trust axis, and likely orthogonal. Realistically its describing the concept of bounded conflict vs existential conflict.
Honor Culture vs Legalistic Culture is also different. I'll amend legalistic -> dignity/rule-of-law culture, I think that's more precise. An honor culture treats reputation as something that must be individually/tribally defended. Public insults or slights demand a visible response, sometimes including violence otherwise it signals that you are weak. A dignity/rule-of-law culture treats personal worth as more inherent and less dependent on immediate public reputation, so private retaliation is discouraged and serious disputes are expected to move through courts, institutions, or formal procedures and let the state take action.
If you want to say we are arguing over meaningless words, that is your right, however by your standard we should just grunt at each other because anything more complex is just being made up.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
Sure idk what your point is, you seem to be malding/ranting at some belief you are falsely attributing to me.
I think WIERD countries have won so hard that they don't realize how abnormal their cultures are to the rest of the world. Letting in and failing to assimilate non-WIERD tribal cultures is going to result in severe cultural clash problems. If the avg resident of a WIERD-culture doesn't want to have to deal with tribal honor cultures then maybe they should wake up and stop voting for universalist humanitarian belief systems that feed their white savior complex. Otherwise, some basic self awareness, common sense, and a pragmatic danger sense are a must because honor-systems respond aggressively to perceived slights, and unlike the cucked word-cells, violence is always on the table.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
Who Novak or Digwa? (why do i keep wanting to type out Digby...) Novak is getting that post death glow up pictures, same shit the media does when some black kid gets shot. Digwa looks like he's dressed in all black carrying a sword at his hip.
Regardless, trying to start shit with someone who is spoiling for a fight and has a deadly weapon on them, no matter how "dweeby" they look, is darwin-award level stupid. Just. Keep. Walking.
YoungAchamian
3d ago
I'm entirely speculating, but if you read between the lines a bit, Digwa (not overly trustworthy) says something about Novak shoulder checking him on the street. They likely both bumped into each other and both refused to give way. This increasing seems to be two wannabe tough guys except one of them has a shortsword.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
utterly innocuous
The quoted bit from the article/videos sounds like he essentially was telling Digwa, "What a right proper gangster you are, I bet you think you are such a naughty boy and all the bollocks". How innocuous you think that is up to you, but that would start shit across the pond in America if you said it to some inner-city wannabe gangster too.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
I did not pick that up in the slightest, GW at it again.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
I mean if so thats posteriors in the direction that Henry was being very stupid. With drunkenness there is some level of excuse to be made for making a bad decision as you have imbibed a substance that is known to cause impaired decision making. Taunting a sword-wielding gangster while sober is Darwin-Award level behavior. Maybe BC is right and a sizable portion on the native British population is just retarded.
high trust society interacts with a low trust one.
Ehh this is what happens when an honor culture meets a legalistic culture. I don't think high/low trust has anything to do with the outcome of taunting weapon wielding strangers at night.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
Wait which book? I do not remember anything on the sort in Book of the New Sun.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
That bodycam video to this day enrages me like no other. I'd bring back Scaphism for that cop.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
But this example, America is a soft-Empire. These are mostly internal problems plaquing Europe. Not things the American Hegemony really cares about. America is similar to Rome in this case, as long as the taxes are paid, deference is shown, and the client states know who wears the pants, the Hegemon leaves them up to their own devices. Even then America clearly lets its client states have far far more leash than any other known empire in history.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
I think I agree with your framing that this boils down to a UK frat bro vs angry honor culture immigrant type-situation.
Novak misunderstood the rules of engagement in these types of situations and thought he could spout off words because violence is so verboten in modern society. Digwa comes from an honor culture where violence (even lethal violence) is an adequate response to slights, and tribal family loyalty outweighs societal notions of fairness that WEIRD people have. This created a lethal situation for Novak as Digwa responded to his taunting with unrestricted levels of violence. His family backed him up by closing ranks, as is expected of community oriented values. A tragedy of multicultural origins with all too human details.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
I think lumping balls and brains along colonial possessions is the likely incorrect assumption. The post WWII UK still tried to pull stuff like the Suez Canal. I think the loss of the "balls and brains" has happened much more recently vs the colonial possessions being, as you said, war reparations of the Americans for needing to come in and save the Brits.
America definitely isn't holding Europe's balls or brains. A case can be made that America likes a weaker Europe so as to not challenge the American Hegemony, but internal matters like immigration and culture seems to be a nutcracker the Euro's designed all on their own.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
Apparently. I'm not sure its possible for the British to un-psyop their society back. It would require acknowledging some very-uncomfortable realities about the world that would be impolite and ungentlemanly. I can't imagine the culture of the stiff upper lip can have that sort of honest dialogue
YoungAchamian
4d ago
"He seems like a wannabe violent asshole".
I think this is accurate. He's a thug, which a chip on his shoulder looking for an excuse to pop off. Clearly has anger issues. As Catsnakes said, he's a wannabe gangster with a sword.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
Agreed, just because the victim was an idiot does not make the crime permissible. Having lived in a major metro and needing to take buses and subways home while drunk, even the schizo's generally (as in I nor any friends have ever seen/heard of this) won't physically attack you if you don't acknowledge them.
His mistake was that he didn't just keep walking. Say in this drunken haze, you correctly identify the guy with the shortsword and the honor culture, is just a pozer who thinks he's tough. Do you really need to insult his honor and force him to do something about it? This is the shit I'm talking about. Like just shut up and walk, its not your problem.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
It was not designed for tribal savages. This was a good thing and its unraveling is a tragedy.
It's really not. A society that educates out bloody survival knowledge from its populous is a failed society. You don't need to have a society that is designed for tribal savages to also have a society that acknowledges how the real world works. Creating a bunch of quokkas is not a good thing. Also we are talking about the same Britain right? The one with football hooligans??
Note that Brits will never see an armed man in the course of ordinary life.
Its a fucking shortsword, I don't need to see a man with a shortsword and a scowl on his face to know I'm not going to interact with him in any but the most polite and avoidant manner.
More cynically, one might say that a lifetime of antiracist education completely compromised Nowak's ability to assess threats in a sensible way. It simply did not occur to him that the scary-looking Indian in religious garb walking around with a scowl on his face (and perhaps visibly carrying ceremonial weapons) might not respond too favourably to playful banter.
I buy this, I think the article points out the 8-incher was externally carried and is what Novak got stabbed with. I'd bet that is externally carried. But it would make sense to me that a lifetime of not-noticing + mainstream British education has made an entire generation of kids be unable to exist in a world with any sort of real-world aggression.
f so, I doubt the possibility even occurred to him that Digwa was armed.
Note: however, a lifetime of multicultural education should inform you that Sihks as a religion are specifically armed. I learned this shit decades ago in social studies, in a fly-over state in America. Long before I actually ever interacted with a Sihk in person.
Damn what an infuriating read. I'm torn though, everything the murder and his family did is beyond evil. However is there any evidence that Novak was accosted without any provocation on his part? It sounds like he was drunk and drunkenly his called out to the non-drunk guy with a big fucking sword, and tried to banter with him in an insulting way. Like does he have any survival instincts? You do not insult the guy with the sword. You don't acknowledge them, you just keep fucking walking, silently. I've seen people with guns, knives, or just general dangerous dispositions while drunk, out and about, you better believe I don't engage, interact or acknowledge them. I definitely don't try to be funny and insult them.
Maybe brits are just stupid and coddled to the point that they can't survive in a world filled with non-coddled, tribal savages. Maybe its an American thing to have at least some danger sense and self awareness. Assume everyone is carrying, be nice, and ignore them.
EDIT: This is the part I'm talking about, like dude just shup up and keep walking.
Nowak resumed filming. The footage shows Digwa walking away, and Nowak saying: “Innit bad man, what bad man. You’re a bad man, say you’re a bad man, go on.”
It's clear to me Digwa is a malcontent, angry at the world, angry at society, and not in a good mood. Some drunk white guy starts talking shit and he just snaps, right to murder, torture, gaslighting, etc. Novak is the effigy for all his hate at the world.
YoungAchamian
4d ago
As much as the symbolic American story holds in our hearts and minds. the current US upper class did not climb there due to their own abilities. Very few of the Ivy League admits are there because they are some small town genius who worked their way up through merit and hard work. Most are just the sons and daughters of already powerful people. They definitely like to pretend the former is the case, but that's because being "self-made" still holds a certain cultural gravitas, and thus requires them to reframe their stories through that light. Just like how they need to reframe their origins through being the underdog, another very American conceit. I'd further postulate that a core esoteric symbol of American/Western culture is that of the Merchant. We are a society of merchants, not warriors, priests or nobles. Frontiersman/Explorers(aka Yeomen) and Merchants. And Merchant values are fundamentally mercenary.
YoungAchamian
5d ago
merit (which is generally what hereditary privilege implies)
What merit does it take to be born to the right parents? One of the major and common failure states of hereditary privilege is that the failson of someone with merit inherits all the power and fucks everything and everyone up (generally combined with fuck-all recourse).
The ruling class in modern society has no Noblese Oblige because they are extremely mercenary. Noblese Oblige requires a recognition of the common man as part of your tribe/society/culture. A rootless cosmopolitan mercenary who feels no ties to any one society or tribe is of course not going to feel any oblige to the downtrodden.
You are essentially pissed at MKC for that other thread around finding a white perpetrator and a minority victim. You are following them around to start shit with them. You both need to cool jets. You are accusing them of being an alt because they used the same sentence as someone else...
By your accusation, Dean has also accused them of being a darwin alt and followed them around to start shit. Ergo your logic makes you a dean alt. (its shit logic) Pot meet Kettle.
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