YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
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YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
14hr ago
It only ever make things harder for me instead of working with me
Being challenged and overcoming challenges is what makes you stronger. Society doesn't work for a lot of people. Everyone probably feels some facet of society is actively making things harder for them, persecution complexes non-withstanding. Beware of anyone who promises you solutions to make society and life simple and easy, they are lying to you.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
15hr ago
This is what we have a fundamental values difference on and won't agree on. Your biological purpose (also I'm not accepting that procreation is your biological purpose either) is not your life's purpose. The point of your life is not your biology.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
15hr ago
He's incorrect insofar as the only point of your existence is to have sex and children. The meaning of life is not "whatever biology says it is"
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
15hr ago
· Edited 15hr ago
He's very incorrect. I'd further postulate that its a very lonely and sad belief rooted in biological determinism. That is a stance but there is far more to life than making offspring. The comment below his points out a lot of ways its just a cope stance.
I guess if you are a staunch materialist/biological determinist, we are pretty much going to disagree due to values. However its worth pointing out I am not arguing with a caricature, it is a stated position. So if you still think I am tilting at windmills, I invite you to specify more clearly why.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
16hr ago
The latter-ish. The original circa 2015 definition for men who think they are the former but are mostly just average to slightly below average. But for who have certain levels of anxiety, neuroticism, autism/adhd, social anxiety, introversion and risk aversion so as to make it hard for them to find a partner.
man should commit crimes
This assumes that prostitution is legal if frowned upon.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
16hr ago
You are satirizing a position and arguing with its caricature.
Am I?
What do you want other than reproduction, to sit around high and distracted? That's your only other option.
OP has literarily stated here That the only point of life is to make offspring and everything else is a worthless distraction.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
16hr ago
I am using "meme" in the definition of the core metaphysical idea underlying a narrative or belief.
and one that gives meaning to life incidentally
See this is what I disagree with. So I don't think I am arguing with a caricature based on your emphasis of it as true. Biology has given me no meaning in life. This is like saying science tells you what matters. It's wrong. Biology put us on this world but does not define the meaning of our lives.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
17hr ago
but it's a huge aspect of their lives.
I suppose I have aged out of being a "young man" but just barely, less than a couple years at this point depending on the cutoff range you have in mind. It was never a massive aspect of my life. And it wasn't some massive aspect of my very diverse set of friends either. And I changed several big cities in my 20s. Oh there were a couple that were more interested in getting laid but it wasn't about sex, it was about being wanted. I agree that the dating marketplace has gotten worse for the average man. I just don't agree that the average man is super interested in sex that it "dominates" their mind.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
17hr ago
Yes men want some sex, but it's not their core driving impulse. Maybe for some hypersexual men but its a big world with a big range of libidos. Many don't want kids, some don't want partners. This convergence to "all men are just horndogs that want to pump out kids" is a weird conservative meme that refuses to adapt to contact with reality.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
17hr ago
They don't even want to breed
Because contrary to the OP's opinion most people aren't slaves to biology. Most incels could passport bro it up, or pay for sex but its not what they really want. Want people want is to be desired for who they are, they want to self actualize, they want a partner.
Porn in all its easily available varieties
If women are getting out competed by 2D pixels and onlyfans models talking to you, then the blame is squarely on them. The "real-human" being problem cuts both ways. She's not going to find the romance novel dreamboat out there in the real world.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
17hr ago
Maybe you need to go re-read both Dune and Nietzsche. The whole point of the Bene Gesserit Gom Jabbar is to weed out people who are slaves to their instincts because the power of the Kwisatz Haderach in such an animal would be an active detriment to the species. Treating people as animals is what Leto II did but he is the main villain in the series, by far. Herbert does not make that subtle. Leto II at least has a semi-noble goal. But nothing of what you are doing is eugenics, there is no noble goal in labeling all men as animals who are slaves to their biology. Nietzsche likewise does not have kind things to say about men who could not command themselves, who were slaves to their desires. I would take it a step farther and say that someone who is a slave to their desires is an untermensch.
This post's base premise is that all men are just rutting beasts shackled to the brute primordiality of their biology and the o-so-evil society that won't allow these poor beasts of burdens to do what they were made for. Yeah... tell me you hate men without telling me you hate men. Apparently the feminists have you so Manchurian candidate-ed that you don't even know which way is up.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
22hr ago
it is really about reproduction
With Friends like these, who really needs feminists... Yes lets put all young men into the bucket that makes them just animals, justify all the stereotypes that men just want to fuck and breed. The level of misandry in this post is quite high and you even have to the gall to pretend you are championing men's rights. You going around and repeating boomercon sexism: "all men are pigs that just want sex" is not revolutionary. News flash, men are people! And people want more than to just satisfy their base urges to have sex and spawn heirs.
Maybe Herbert was more prescient than he knew. We need a Gom Jabbar. Kill off all the men who's sole goal in life is to be an animal. They are holding back our species.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
1d ago
The torment nexus doesn't exist, it's sci-fi gobblygook, nothing being created by anthropic now will lead to its immediate creation. If that's all you have to justify classifying autists in the same bucket as sociopaths then you might want check yourself into an asylum because you are the schizo raving on the train.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
I compiled a bunch of evidence the last time this came up. link. And yes the lack of internet cuts both ways. Only the most famous cases were recorded as they made it to the court system. Talking to people alive during that time about their experience/remembrances leaves the impression that the MM operated pretty locally with disapproving church ladies calling your local employer to get you fired for being gay, or playing D&D. Obviously stuff like that is not recorded in any way near levels of record, the way the internet records things these days.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
Ironic, I'll remember that quote when I try to understand why normies do stupid things.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
Yes but a house divided against itself cannot stand. These divisions are entirely self inflicted by normies. Social power used to be the predominant power, but in this age of technology we have seen an increase in "technological power". Autists seemed to be particularly advantaged at developing it. Normies can rage against that all they want, but short of regressing technology and all the advantages and comforts its provides, it's here to stay. I suppose normies are currently lucky that Autists aren't particularly tribal yet, but nothing makes people form tribes like coordinated persecution.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
Double empathy problem strikes again. Maybe normies should consider what happens if you treat a group of non-sociopaths like sociopaths. "Something Something, burn down the village."
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
How is one supposed to take any of the clowns seriously attacking "woke leftists" when they act like this?
First time? There has been plenty of back and forth discussion about this topic here, but the fundamental conclusion I have made is that large swaths of the right only dislike cancel culture because they are the ones being cancelled. It's very much a "not wrong tactic, just wrong targets" mentality. Pointing out that conservatives in the form of the Moral Majority spent plenty of effort in the 70s and 80s deploying cancel culture on wrong thinkers, gets you admissions that the rightist agrees with the MM's positions and thus thinks the cancel was justified. Woke culture is very much American Christian culture minus the Deus. The social weapons deployed by outraged church ladies and woke Karen's is the same thing, because they are the same personality/values. So you haven't been fighting to end the use of the weapon but instead to determine the flavor of boot you want to lick.
This gets into the larger problem of conflict theorists being equivalent to demon's in Frieren. The use of language by them is essentially meaningless. It's used to position themselves in better spots to be able to deploy power and violence to achieve their ends. Any whining about cancel culture targeting righties is the behavior of an alzabo luring you into letting your guard down. The future skill required for being on the internet or in political discussion is detecting when it's happening.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
Not really sure why autists are catching strays in same category as sociopaths...
If they are the same then it should be easy for people to stop suggesting the penalty. For some reason they can't, suggesting there is an emotive component that they prefer to punish people they disagree with, rather than benefit people they agree with.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
2d ago
I think about it as rewarding for taking an action vs imposing a penalty for not. There's a third axis for how easy/capacity to take that action is. I think its probably more permissible to impose penalties for taking an action if it requires a conscious single decision to take that action, for example littering. Or if the action you want people to take is very easy to do. The ACA "tax" is somewhere there, though it was mildly contentious. EV and solar credits are rewarding a particular behavior. The problem stems from imposing a penalty for not taking an affirmative action, made worse by that affirmative action being downstream of other affirmative actions that additionally require another party to also take those same actions. Since person A can't control what person B is doing and requires person B to also do it so that person A can, punishing person A for not doing it is fairly tyrannical.
I'd say something like raising the overall tax rate and then giving a cut is not really a punishment. We understand the side eye thats really happening but theoretically its just raising the tax rate to pay for the deficit, and then lowering for people that are making "future taxpayers" as a reward for the socially approved behavior. But you'd have to do a blanket increase, doing targeted increases is just punishment. Last time this came up there were even more draconian punishments for the childless.
Instead reverse the positions: tax and penalize having few children.
As I said last time this idea came up. Punishing people for not having children is a bad idea. If you are single woman, a harsh tax + good benefits is going to result in you having children out of wedlock. Which is dysgenic for society anyway. If you are a single man, you are just fucked. There is nothing you can do to have children on your own, and if you can't get a partner by normal means, you'd have to commit horrendous crimes to do so. The vast majority of people are not Chad + Stacy, sucking and fucking around and never settling down. Punitively targeting everyone as if they are is just revenge porn dressed up as a policy.
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
3d ago
No need to make it a bioweapon. Make it a cultural meme, narratives spread much faster. If you can create narrative versions of the AI disgust reaction for both left and right cultural environments, then you could release a memetic pathogen that would push the vast majority of people into that AI disgust state
YoungAchamian
We walk conditioned ground and name our folly civilization.
3d ago
Wow the transition to EAR rules and then defining online software files as world wide releases is quite harsh on anything open-sourced. I assume the files in question were just normal guns for manufacture? Nothing super high-tech, needing any sort of classification or export restriction?
I guess it's good to know that anyone complaining about the political targeting via ITAR rules is mostly complaining about their side getting hit with export restrictions.
I was finally able to beat deity on the new civ 7 test of time patch. I did the Pachatuchi + Nepal combo for a culture win. The new patch makes the AI bonus on deity much stronger. They city spam really hard and playing wide seems to be the unequivocal best strategy much to my disappointing tall-playing inclinations. I've come close before but this is the first time making it over the finish line in time.
Some friends and I have put together a valheim server, I'm enjoying building viking themed castles in it lately. Really letting my creative juices flow.
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