Tomato
5mo ago
If the Amazonian tribesmen could seethe on Twitter the authors certainly would go on and gloat.
Tomato
5mo ago
At the risk of endlessly repeating myself: the media has done its job of detecting a potential counter elite (rationalists et al.), figured out what its sin is (spooky eich-bee-dee racism) and is now just churning out hit pieces to marginalize any organization that might come out of it.
I think this is giving “rationalists et al.” way too much credit. They aren’t a potential counter elite that’s a threat to the real elite. The media writes about them out of anthropological curiosity, in the same way they write about isolated tribes in the Amazon. Like there was a big NYT article about rationalist date-me-docs and the tone was the same, “ha ha aren’t these people weird and interesting” that underlies all these pieces.
Of course the tone is more negative now after SBF. But sorry, yes, if a guy in your movement does an enormous fraud, has a high-profile trial, and goes to jail, your movement attracts negative attention. But this isn’t tearing down a threatening counter-elite, this is an anthropological piece about how that weird Amazonian tribe that turned on its neighbors is still being weird.
Tomato
5mo ago
I'm asking for a quantification of how many women out there are actually likely to pass the filter.
Like I have been saying, almost all of them. The number of normie women who want marriage and kids with normie men is almost certainly greater than the number of number of normie men looking for the same thing. That there’s a huge number of men-hating women out there categorically uninterested or unfit for marriage is a super weird cope made up in red pill/incel/sigma male Twitter. I know this because unlike these people I touch grass regularly and almost every single woman I interact with is normal and wants a normal relationship. Off the top of my head I can think of >10 single women in the Bay Area who are great and looking hard for their guy.
That a lot of these women are below men’s standards for other reasons (too fat, had sex with too many guys, etc) is a different issue and comes down to facing up to the fact that if you’re a 4/10 guy and want to get married you’ll probably have to marry a 4/10 woman.
Tomato
5mo ago
Don’t filter on it ex ante. Go on the date. If she really holds psychotic sexist views (she probably doesn’t) it’ll be quickly obvious.
Tomato
5mo ago
The problem is that "is liberal" tends to be an effective proxy for "is a gynosupremacist".
Almost no women IRL are like this. I’ve been on hundreds of dates in big liberal cities and I don’t think I ever met someone who meets this description. It’s a type of woman that exists basically only online and perhaps in some weird pockets you’ll never encounter in person anyway.
As for the virginity thing, I dunno, sleep with a virgin to get it out of your system. It’s just not important.
Tomato
5mo ago
Some of these are legit (like fertility) but if you’re giving up on having kids because your potential wife slept with 6 guys before you or is liberal, it’s an incredible self-own and you’re shutting yourself out of the most joyous thing you will ever experience in life over really tiny details. Obviously nobody is forcing you to compromise but I really hope you and others reading this don’t sacrifice your happiness on the alter of weird twitter dating discourse.
Tomato
5mo ago
Have you done it? Anecdotally in my locality (SF) basically every late-20s/early-30s woman I know fits the bill. I have a bunch of female friends like this actively searching.
Tomato
5mo ago
You should have kids. It’s incredibly, unbelievably rewarding. Unless you’re literally on track to be the next Lincoln, having kids will be by far the most meaningful and impactful thing you do. And kids need a stable family life, so you should get married first.
Tomato
5mo ago
There are much lonelier societies with more sexless men and they have close to zero lone wolf mass shootings. We just make the tools of mass shootings very easily accessible.
Have you expressed this opinion to any "normies", and how did they respond?
I guarantee you that if you threaten normies with visions of dark brooding virgins rising up they will (1) laugh, and (2) support further repression of said virgins. If you want a rule that says you can't get a gun unless you bring your girlfriend to say you aren't a threat (not a bad idea IMO), stories like this one are how you get it.
Tomato
5mo ago
Under the letter of the law and also under most people’s more general moral and ethical reasoning it’s “okay” for schools to restrict expression to, e.g., stop extreme bullying. I’m pretty far on the side of allowing free expression but this seems pretty reasonable.
Tomato
5mo ago
We have to allow men to make AI porn of their underaged high school classmates because sometimes women do bad things too? And what are the highly destructive things you have in mind?
Tomato
5mo ago
Literally just don’t make AI porn of your female classmates? Why is everyone on this site struggling with this so much?
Tomato
5mo ago
The degree of realism and personalization intuitively matters a lot so without any other context the AI thing seems worse. But as with many things like this often the real answer is that context matters and fact finders on the ground are better at determining that than we are on some random online forum. It also seems like a sort of a bad faith waste of time to try to legalistically determine which side of the line some particular way of sexually harassing high school girls falls on.
Tomato
5mo ago
This argument proves way too much. Yes, there is female genital mutilation in other societies and it’s abhorrent. That doesn’t give American high school boys, or socially maladjusted or inept men in general, free rein to harass women.
Tomato
5mo ago
It can't be the creation or existence of the images that harms the girls.
I mean sure but in practice this only comes to light when they’re discovered or distributed which does harm the girls. And I think “creation + distribution” is worse than “distribution” alone if for no other reason than it speaks to a more culpable mens rea and greater capacity to reoffend.
I don’t think the boys should go to jail but I do think they should be suspended or probably expelled.
Having a fake nude made of you is way more disturbing than someone saying you’re creepy or have a small penis.
I agree that you shouldn’t go to jail for fake nudes but I do think it’s absolutely legitimate to suspend or expel boys who do this.
(apparently this line of argument has has upset people traumatized by being called creepy)
Tomato
5mo ago
There are no victims
Whether or not they’re victims in a strict legal sense the girls are clearly victims here.
More generally I feel like men wildly underestimate how bad it can feel to be the object of unwanted, intrusive sexual desire/advances due to “men be horny” type attitudes. I spent most of my life rolling my eyes and thinking “how bad can it be to be DESIRED” but over the years I acquired a few stalkers and have had a few women make aggressive and clearly unwanted sexual advances. It actually feels pretty shitty and occupies a lot of your idle thinking. It makes you feel guilty! Like you did something wrong. And this was the mildest stuff imaginable. Having my peers make (even fake) nudes of me would be insanely, ridiculously disturbing and cause legitimate anguish.
Tomato
5mo ago
Is this federal money? My impression around Silicon Valley is that this is much more likely to be VCs/grifting startups spending pensioners money on pointless marketing events like this.
Tomato
5mo ago
I’m skeptical that the current LLM strand of AI is going to accomplish much but I absolutely agree that the US and West more generally should devote a lot of energy to attaining AI dominance. Life for almost everyone except for a few insider Han Chinese will be much much better off if the West gets there first. AI aligned with the American blue tribe will force red tribe Americans to watch black Superman; AI aligned with the American red tribe will force blue tribe Americans to drive pickup trucks; AI aligned with the CCP will kill or enslave every non-Han.
Tomato
5mo ago
I've advocated leaning into student loan forgiveness, on the condition that most of the funds are seized from university endowments and heavy taxes on the parties who benefit directly from the loans over the decades.
I don't think that the universities with large endowments to raid have many highly indebted students.
Is student debt forgiveness “buying votes” any more than tax cuts are? (I think both are bad at the current status quo).
Tomato
5mo ago
The democrats have done a ton of positive sum things and there are a lot more positive sum things I expect them to be much better at executing than republicans. For example dems all lined up for the TikTok divestiture, which Trump supported until some random billionaire with a financial interest in TikTok donated and got him to oppose it.
Tomato
5mo ago
I don't have it by race but 2021-22 were kind of down years across the board that have reversed more recently. Even moreso for wealth.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
But without getting into the quarterly bouncing ball the trend at the frequency of a few years is still strongly up.
People on this forum give these guys way too much credit. The tech/VC types keep making the same mistake of thinking that money and power are the same thing. I’ll update my priors if they can get the politics of their own backyard, SF, in any kind of reasonable order. Visit SF and visit NY and decide for yourself if the tech guys are in any way competent enough leaders to govern better than the finance and law guys.
I’m skeptical (they seem too busy cranking out AI SaaS slop to do anything serious) but who knows.
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