Tollund_Man4
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Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
I would think the "fuck condoms" attitude is only possible in places where most of the women are on birth control.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
Anyone got got recommendations for podcasts/Youtube channels focused on history or philosophy? I listen at work where my hands are kept busy so anything longform or a good playlist of shorter stuff would be good to minimise having to pull my phone out.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
I haven’t played Victoria 3 but my experience with other Paradox games is that you have to read a few guides and ask questions on the related subreddits to actually understand how to play. You could be 100 hours in and still not be certain about the workings of certain mechanics.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
Can you imagine 21st century Americans behaving like the Palestinians if the Chinese decided to occupy their nation? I can’t.
It's an interesting what if. Neither the Americans nor the English have the experience of living under a foreign occupation, at least not since William the Conquerer. I hear this pointed out a lot to explain why American and English perspectives on ex-colonial nations seem so out of touch.
While they were never under a long-term foreign occupation I think the Ulster Scots would be very likely to hold to that type of irrational faith that is necessary for nation to survive under a foreign government. If Ireland ever unifies I don't expect them to stop being more British than the British themselves, and if America ever loses territory I don't expect their counterparts over there to give up either.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
Keith Woods is definitely much bigger online than he is in Ireland, but then again I’m analysing things on the assumption that I’m an outlier in how online I am in an age when every young lad in the pub is talking about Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson so maybe the conversion rate of internet fame to real world influence has gone up.
As for my own position I think a dose of populism is needed. Irish politics seems to be going along with the trends of the Anglo world regardless of the opinions of the people living there, someone more tied up with the interest of farmers or local communities and less worried about their standing in international elite circles would be ideal. The Healy Rae family are clownish but a more articulate version of them might actually change some things.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
It's an interesting question, I have to get off my computer soon so these will be scattered points but I might write a long post on the situation in a few days and see if the other Irish posters here agree. The short answer is I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Woods and the rest of the Irish far-right have been making a hell of an effort to link their brand of nationalism to Irish republicanism - the only cause with a real populist spark - but it's an uphill battle and they've got the much more organised, motivated (and as they hate me pointing out, better armed) republicans up north to contend with. To be fair the attempt has gotten its own debunking article from the national broadcaster so it's definitely gotten people's attention. Woods has his own unique downsides too, as much as the Israeli government may dispute this actual anti-semitism is not a good look, there are very few Jews in Ireland in the first place and getting angry about them makes you sound like you'd be more at home in some other country that cares about this stuff. His and the Irish far-right's internet savviness is very helpful when it comes to embarrassing the government, but because the internet is global you risk associating yourself with based British nationalists. Tommy Robinson has shown up to a few protests in Dublin and this fact has been jumped on immediately to discredit the movement whenever it has happened, I've seen a few Irish Twitter right-wingers fiercely condemning each other over this otherwise natural alliance.
The National Party is making the effort to knock on doors and win some votes the traditional way but it has had basically zero success. I won't write them off completely though as the few members I know are extremely motivated and I expect that will hold for their next batch of recruits.
The peaceful protests against and arson attacks on migrant housing seem to be organic, the far-right do show up to these town hall meetings and do share inciting material online, and leftists take this as evidence that this is all the result of conspiracies, but they haven't been able to actually get themselves into a leadership position. There was a bit of a controversy over one of these guys showing up to a small town called Oughterard a few years back while the locals were objecting to migrant accomodation. Oughterard is no more far-right than it was a few years ago, the energy evaporated once the matter was settled.
All of this being said: (i) I have been repeatedly surprised by the willingness of random townspeople to protest, and (ii) Irish people are struggling economically and the country is changing rapidly so old expectations may not hold.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
Not sure if there's no sound or it's just my computer but here's a black guy with his hands completely full of loot drawing strange looks from the rioters: https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/1727851752697831824
There's videos of Irish people looting too so I wouldn't say it was whites vs migrants as much as political rioters (who are basically all white) vs looters.
The polls and studies I've seen show that the Irish tend to generally be pro-immigration, but it's obviously hard to get a sense of the country through a poll.
This is true, and Irish people aren't the type to cause a scene either way. Working class Dubliners are quite different though, and actual organised right wingers like the National Party are extremely loud for their size (I doubt they made up a large portion of the rioters but probably a decent portion of the guys livestreaming).
Seeing rumours that the Algerian guy was homeless and literally brain damaged. He was also in court last year for possession of a knife and criminal damage.
Seems like a good candidate for a scissor statement (not sure how to word this, a scissor case?), is the guy the most blameless a person can be in this situation and the tragedy a result of poor homeless and healthcare services or should he have been deported the moment he ended up in court? Technically the latter couldn’t happen because he was a citizen but that just pushes back the question to whether we should be more careful in handing out citizenship.
Strangely enough the standard law & order viewpoint that would have prevented this tragedy (a mentally ill guy waving knives around should probably be in jail if no other institution is available) is being touted by the left and centre while the (far) right are the ones defending rioters. To be fair to the right wingers there are plenty of videos of people confronting non-Irish looters during the riot, but their name is going to be tarred by association with looters whether they like it or not. The Irish left’s idea of law & order isn’t great for free speech either.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
I'm surprised at this. I haven't heard much bad said about the Brazilians myself but I'm not from Dublin so maybe it's different there. It's a different demographic than the average Brazilian in Ireland but the high population of Brazilians in Gort is considered more of a curiosity than a reason to avoid it.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
I’m not a Dublin native but I think it would be very strange if turned out that the rioters weren’t mostly Irish.
There are lots of videos and newspaper articles about the absolutely wild behaviour of Dublin youth over the years, they’re definitely capable of burning down trams and stealing buses (not so different from Belfast youth in that regard though riots are still very rare in Dublin).
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
The Dublin youngfella can be very destructive when given the opportunity.
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
I can’t say I’ve ever noticed any inherent concern amongst Irish people for Holland over any other European country. I think I’ve only met one Dutchman in Ireland my life, whereas I’ve talked to countless Spaniards, Baltics, Poles and Brazilians.
If there is a link it’s because the Irish right are very online. As insignificant as they are in the halls of power the far right are fairly effective at organising street protests and motivating young men (I doubt they made up the majority of this protest but I’m sure they attended and instigated as much as they could).
Tollund_Man4
11mo ago
One big distinguishing factor is that Ireland’s immigration experience is much more recent.
It’s hard to find a red line to rally around when your country’s first experience of mass Muslim migration happened in your grandparents’ days and when you’ve already learned to avoid the ghettos. Anything short of a drastic acceleration is just boiling the frog.
Ireland has never had ethnic ghettos, Dublin youth excepted we’re not used to the violence that’s accepted as part and parcel of normal city life, a ratio of 1800 Irish to 700 MENA males isn’t something Irish towns are used to.
I’m doubtful that this was a terrorist attack, but yesterday it was unclear whether Ireland had just experienced it’s first ever Islamic terrorist attack. Even though Ireland does have a high proportion of foreign nationals it’s nearly all working class Eastern Europeans or middle class Western Europeans who don’t cause much trouble, having areas suddenly gain a large population of young African and Muslim males is jarring and easy to rally around (I know this guy is much older but tension has been building for a while). All this when house and rental prices are through the roof.
What I found really conspicious was that in virtually all the articles there was absolutely no description of the perpetrator of the stabbing other than 'man' or at best ' older man', which was the spark that cause the protest/riot (depending on your political persuasion).
The most I saw was national broadcaster, RTé, mentioning that he was an Irish citizen who “came to this country 20 years ago”. The exception is GRIPT, a small but quickly growing media company that mentioned that he was Algerian in the headline.
I really think the Aisling Murphy case is worth looking into, the media is making the exact same mistake as before by obfuscating the nature of the attack (it will be a true repeat if they’re brave enough to scold Irish men for toxic attitudes that lead to random attacks against teachers).
True, though some of the ones brave enough to set fire to buses might be.
There’s been a lot of tension between Brazilian couriers and Dublin’s feral youth these last few years. A lot of Brazilians work courier and food delivery jobs and a certain section of young Dubliners like stealing their motorbikes. I don’t know the number but a few Brazilians have been severely injured or killed by joyriders and thieves (or in one case by the police trying to stop the thieves).
Ireland
A riot has broken out in Dublin after a man stabbed two 5 year olds, a 6 year old and a woman in her 30s earlier today. The woman and a 5 year old girl are currently undergoing surgery for serious injuries. The man is also being treated for serious injuries after bystanders intervened (I've seen photos and the guy is barely conscious and bleeding from the mouth). The rioters don't have a spokesperson or anything but I think it's fair to say that this is an anti-migrant riot, politicians and police are certainly blaming the far-right for it.
This is all happening right now so this isn't a complete list, but at least one hotel housing migrants, a Luas tram, and multiple police cars have been set on fire. O'Connell Bridge leading on to the city's main street has been blocked a burning bus and there are videos of shops being looted.
Worth mentioning because of the timing - this comes a week after a man was convicted for the apparently random murder of schoolteacher Aisling Murphy in Dublin last year. The man who was found guilty was a Slovakian convicted rapist, but the media went from scolding Irish men for their toxic attitudes to near complete silence once it came out that the perpertator wasn't Irish.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
Ireland.
Migrant protests are back. Rosslare - a town of 2,100 - has become the site of a 1,000 person blockade of Rosslare Europort after the government announced they planned to house 400 migrant men in the Great Southern Hotel. 300 male asylum seekers are already being housed in the town so this proposal would fairly drastically change its makeup.
Unlike most migrant protests this one has the support of local politicians and started after a breakdown in negotiations between the government and local leaders. With actual political leaders involved it will be a lot harder for someone like Tommy Robinson show up and make it look like this is being organised by foreign provocateurs, clearly the views of locals are what is fuelling this.
I’m not sure how the economic importance of the Europort will come into play, there’s a lot more inventive for the government to settle this quickly but unless they win the public image battle arresting people and going ahead with the original plan won’t be a good look.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
This contradiction doesn’t hold if the people banning the drugs aren’t the same people in charge of treating severe mental disorders or carrying out euthanasia. Maybe I’m wrong and medical professionals do have a right to use prohibited drugs which they’re not exercising.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
except from the most conspiratorially-minded places like /pol/
/pol/ really enjoys bringing it up but it's not that obscure. Looking it up on Youtube I see a BBC documentary from 2002, an Al Jazeera documentary, a Jocko Willink Podcast discussion and some small high production value channels giving an animated breakdown.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
It means nothing to Hamas but I'm not sure giving the countries that support Hamas a justification to supply WMDs is such a great idea.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
Not taking a stance on who this guy is but your first point seems like a line many posters here would cross in good faith.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
Good point, Varadkar’s Indian heritage doesn’t really get brought up that often so it’s easy to forget.
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
Planning on continuing my Irish history reading with Ernie O'Malley's On Another Man's Wound. Unlike the other guys I've been reading - Dan Breen, Michael Collins, Tom Barry (I wrote my thoughts on the interesting parts of his book here) - this guy is far more well-known for his books than his war exploits which makes me think he'll be a better writer than the rest. I know one of the books, maybe this one, covers the Civil War and that's something only Collins has gone into depth on in my readings so far (though he died before it was over so O'Malley should still give a clearer picture of what it was all about).
Tollund_Man4
1yr ago
Where is your standard of worthiness coming from? Could two people pair up live decently happy lives with children and be unworthy of doing that in your view?
Hume's Enquiries concerning Human Understanding to brush up on a book I've had a lot of second-hand exposure to but never actually read, and Costin Alamariu's Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy.
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