PierreMenard
1yr ago
Aside from pronouns, does this rule apply to qualifiers as well?
Should commenters be modded for referring to Hamas as terrorists instead of the self-identified 'islamic resistance movement'? Using 'incel shooter' instead of 'supreme gentleman'?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
But, hey like I said, if the Right also wants to totally hand the military over to us, we'll take it.
You can take it.
Let the women, LGBT, minorities die for Israel.
The reality is, the way war is going for the US military, and I actually make the distinction here, is we actually need more people who are open and OK with lots of different types of people, as long as they can "shoot straight,"
What does that even mean?
Some kind of Dirlewanger Brigade?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
It's a multitude of factors. The military is not very attractive career-wise.
Only people running out of choices or committed military-lovers would join. Perhaps they need to be more flexible with drug use in the military, it would make it easier to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Perhaps the NYT was wrong and American men are not desperate to go die for Israel after all.
The military was already purged of American patriots after the January 6th mostly peaceful elections protests, so let them have it. Feminism won, it's time to #DraftOurDaughters.
Exercising is right-wing, law enforcement is fascism, guns are evil...
The people who buy in the media narratives are not attracted to any of the day-to-day aspects of the military.
The people who do not buy them may not want to have to enforce these narratives on their fellow patriots at gun point.
Perhaps they're simply going back to white men in ads as they ran out of DEI actors without pending criminal charges?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I'd call myself strongly pro-Israel, to the extent that there's little or nothing they could do to the Palestinians that would make me withdraw my support (within the Overton Window of Israeli politics).
I have noticed that a lot of Indians support Israel online, would you be able to shed some light on that phenomenon?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
but I need to compensate for my other male characteristics.
No you don't. There are plenty of out-of-shape women, with bad skin etc.
Compare my situation to the stereotypical gay man hooking up with a new partner every weekend, or a straight incel addicted to porn?
If I didn’t transition and all I did was wear the headphones and glasses, people’s actions wouldn’t reflect them seeing me as a woman no matter how you edited their words.
You don't have enough imagination.
Like if I went to a bar, no straight man would actually want to take me home (and they might punch me if the AR system edited their words to mean sexual advances).
The smart glasses would take you to the gay tranner bar full of gay men looking for other gay men wearing smart glasses.
I would still have male genitals and feel there them even if I didn’t see them, and the outline of my body wouldn’t match where I put my hands.
No because you'd be under the impression that all normal women have male genitalia as well.
Also if I applied makeup wouldn’t it look all wrong since it would edit my facial proportions?
Your face would look like it never needs makeup applied and even if you did apply makeup badly, it'd look great to you and you'd never hear anybody complain about it.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
that person when children recoil from them in fear and strangers can't bring themselves to look them in the eye.
Ironic to make this argument on a thread about transgenderism, the promotion of which is in my opinion increasing the number of people out there with a serious deal of uncanny valley-face. Let's promote burn victim-acceptance and perhaps road safety awareness instead of telling victims to go get their face remade by a neo-butcher.
If it happened to me I'd become a masked vigilante who executes drunk drivers in cold blood or something.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
it's being uncomfortable about being the sex you are and feeling more comfortable if you adopt the characteristics of the opposite sex.
Which are pretty nebulous as far as I know. There are plenty of flat-chested short-haired females out there but you needed long-hair and neo-breasts to feel better about yourself.
Either way you provided evidence suggesting that women with dysphoria should get anti-androgens to be cured, not cross-sex hormones (androgens).
What about you, have you tried supplementing androgens instead?
I dated and hooked up with plenty of gay men prior to transitioning. Gay men are actively uninterested in femininity and lost interest after I grew my hair long and such.
So you had no issue dating before growing your hair long? Plenty of straight men go with women with short hair as well.
I'm now in a long-term relationship with a bisexual man and we could certainly get married, adopt children (or go through surrogacy) and buy a house in a suburb. Ironically, I'm more comfortable now with having a family and the normal monogamous life that conservatives are a fan of, than I ever was before.
Idk about other conservatives but when I think "normal monogamous life" I'm not thinking about your situation. Also the guy you're dating, would he care if you told him to call you 'dude' instead of 'sweetie'?
Why the thinly veiled misogyny?
No misogyny, I'm merely suggesting an hypothetical device that would simulate every single social interaction in such a way that you could attribute certain dispositions to one sex while every single individual is actually completely identical in their behavior with no sexual dimorphism whatsoever.
Not sure I understand this part? The glasses wouldn't change how others treated me beyond the superficial - which pronouns and intonations absolutely are.
All I'm saying is that the glasses and headphones would come together to create the perfect 'I am a woman'-simulation, no matter what other people are actually saying.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
No, the practice of surgically removing parts of the brain to treat disease.
For example It seems that now they call it lobectomy but it's essentially the same thing.
Surgery to treat psychiatric disorders is still being done but it is vastly different from a classical lobotomy. Brain surgery to treat psychological disorders is considered only after medicines given for a long time have not worked. The procedure is done by an expert neurosurgeon, often using tools like a microscope, gamma knife, and robotic surgery.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I'd wear a mask. Plus if seeing it a little bit bothers people it's a them problem not a me problem.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
If you read the post, the FtM patients had elevated testosterone levels, took medication to reduce those levels, and the gender dysphoria went away
So women with a mental illness making them think that they are men took medication to reduce T levels (anti-androgens) and that helped them feel better about being women? Why aren't you taking anti-estrogens to cure your gender dysphoria then?
That's hard to do since hormones have obvious physical changes and you could tell easily you're in the placebo group. This is unfortunately only self reports from people that transition medically
Sounds like pretty bad science to me. They should have at least given cocaine to some of them and see who reports feeling better.
Yet a few months after I started HRT, my quality of life hugely improved, and I finally had a decent dating life.
Can you explain? The gay men that you were previously pursuing unsuccessfully finally took an interest in you after you grew your hair long and breasts? Or did you manage to attract a straight man who just can't wait to get married, 2 children and a white picket fence in the suburbs?
it's different from the feeling I had before and externally matches the opposite sex, and that's good enough for me.
Only because you have a point of reference to what the opposite sex is like. If you moved to a male-only monastery for life eventually you would have no idea what a woman behaves like. You could also get smart glasses that correct every dumb thing any woman say around you and you'd get the impression that women are rational, pragmatic people while men are the irrationally angry, ditzy sex.
The glasses wouldn't change how others treated me beyond the superficial - which pronouns and intonations absolutely are.
Well that's what the headphones are for.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Medical surgery is just called surgery. If there is no function being restored except 'I need to change other people's perception of me' then it seems to be frivolous, vain, a waste of everybody's time really.
If it is successful, it makes other people perceive you like a woman, which is one of the goals.
What kind of medical treatment has other people than the patient as targets?
It's not purely a psychological issue. A large number of trans people have underlying hormonal issues - in FtMs, PCOS and congenital adrenal hyperplasia are very common, and there's growing evidence that a number of mutations and physical conditions are associated with it.
You seem to believe PCOS to be a symptom of gender dysphoria while it could very well be that gender dysphoria is a symptom of PCOS, or a symptom of another underlying cause causing both dysphoria and PCOS.
Otherwise, trans people report better functioning and mental health on cross-sex hormones even if they change nothing else.
Source? They gave placebo hormones to transists and they compared results to transists with the real deal?
Meditation and Buddhist practice help you come to peace with what you can't change, sure.
No, I think there is a certain component of it that has to do with examining your own desires and then being able to interact with them, and change them.
Using these tools, the mindfulness-based therapist teaches a client to be in the here and now as well as break away from negative thought patterns that can cause a decline into a mood-disordered state; this therapy can help a person fight off a difficult frame of mind before it takes hold.
It is possible to learn how to break away from negative thought patterns (for example: this part of my body is male and I need to see a surgeon, instead of: I love how male this part of my body is!)
It seems to me that you are not your gender dysphoria. If you are a person who is bad at math, then you can study hard and get a to a certain skill level where you can be confident solving some math problems.
It appears to me that if you are a person who is bad at seeing herself in her birth sex, then this is something they can practice and grow more confident in, instead of lobbing off body parts and playing with disguises for their whole life.
This sound similar in effect to giving amputees a headset that superimposes a CGI limb on top of their prosthesis - it can help a little, sure, but it does nothing for touch and proprioception, actual functionality.
What would that even look like? How would you know what the opposite sex proprioception feels like? Even if you took cross-sex hormones and then felt that your skin feels different, how would you know that this is the same feeling that somebody of the other sex feels?
Others will still see an amputee, plus you'll be acutely aware that you're living a lie - in addition to having to occasionally take off the glasses.
I don't see in which version of 'gender-affirming therapy' you would not be aware that you had your bones shaved etc.
in addition to having to occasionally take off the glasses.
They could be surgically-implanted as well.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Lobotomy is a legitimate therapeutic intervention and is still used daily all over the world to treat patients suffering from drug-resistant epilepsy.
I wonder if anybody has ever tried lobotomy to treat gender dysphoria. Considering the sort of procedures that medical experts seem to deem appropriate to treat it, it should not be a big deal to get it approved.
I would not be surprised if lobotomy could successfully treat gender dysphoria, the question is merely how big of a chunk of a brain you need to lob off to stop the condition.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
You have to pay huge sums of money (tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars) for very painful, potentially risky surgery - for MtFs, facial feminisation surgery - which is literally slicing your face open, shaving your bones with a saw, and stitching it back up - tracheal shave, voice feminisation surgery, hairline reduction, and some more. All of this you do if you want to pass as a normal member of the opposite sex instead of a freak that's the butt of jokes.
But how does anything like this make one a woman? I don't think women need to shave their bones etc to be 'women'.
Wouldn't it be easier to address the underlying psychological issues?
Allegedly, meditation and other buddhist practices aim to free one from their every desire, wouldn't such practices help liberate one from the desires of having shorter bones, higher voice, etc?
Alternatively, there are great advances in technology every day. If at the crux the issue is of self-perception, couldn't some version of virtual glasses help with that? AI software miniaturized in smart glasses + headphones could potentially overlay corrected audio-visual information in real-time. That way the patient would have the impression of a body matching their idealization of it, and in every social interaction, correct the pronouns, intonations, and speech content to avoid any misgendering distress.
One could even envision a program that gradually reduces the level of correction if the patient's condition somehow improves. Something that could be very finely-tuned.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
alt-right RETVRN types, is that nobody cares about children at all
Can you expand on that? Most of my formerly-alt-right acquaintances have children or want to have them. How do they even rationalize it?
on a gut-feeling level it is genuinely difficult for me to imagine how someone would pretend to care about children for any reason other than as a mysterious ancestral ritual that may score points against the outgroup.
That's still caring tho, isn't it?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Deep state employee
- communicating with media companies to strengthen/suppress certain POVs
- putting together intelligence operations with spooks to create material for above (ie surveillance, blackmail honeypots, piss dossier)
- analyzing sentiment for important metrics (appreciation for LGBTQ+, racial animosity, officials that need to be bribed)
- hiring and managing other deep state employees (funny questionnaires to weed out true believers, people too smart to be trusted, retain prospects with blackmailable but manageable flaws)
- sim component (baby-eating/BDSM orgy/drugs/expensive racecars/virtue signaling... gauge to keep filled up)
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Shows bad the pre-Sexual Revolution society was to many people they'd put up with the weirdos.
Luckily the whole thing is going down the drain. Thanks to the Sexual Revolution, the whole mistake of a Western civilization is just going away.
The legacy of the 70s is Oblivion. BUH-BYE
But, do you think Led Zeppelin, Rick Springfield, and the dozens of other popular mainstream artists, actors, and such who engaged in what were the time, consensual relationships with teenage girls should have their records banned, and so forth, like you want to do with these intellectuals?
Their records banned? Try all records. Only the calls of the muezzins should remain
PierreMenard
1yr ago
How are Jews doing in Britain today?
Rather well.
Some disagree with you
Israel-Gaza conflict: British Jews most fearful for safety since 1945, Chief Rabbi says
British Jews are 'full of fear, like I've never seen before' "The Jewish community at the moment is full of dread, full of fear, like I've never seen before," says Justin Cohen, news editor and co-publisher of Jewish News. He talks of this anxiety playing out with a backdrop of intense trauma caused by the Hamas killings and kidnappings on 7 October.
Israel is not going to have shortage of friends and allies.
Great, they don't need my or my people's money then.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
The teachers do not want children to have sex, they want them to explore their "gender identity", possibly all the way to gender transition, which is the most thorough desexualization since the Skoptsy were a thing.
Some don't, some do. The teachers harping over gender theory certainly got their ideas from people who at least studied under people who were either kiddy-diddlers of the kind of Gabriel Matzneff or very close friends of them. The fact that these ideas come from these people is not unrelated to the fact that adults are reaching out to children to sensitize them to these behaviors.
Hard to imagine something less sexually arousing and stimulating than "drag queen hours."
Yes, totally normal behavior. If you see a group of Nazi war criminals dressed up in Nazi garb playing war with plastic guns and the neighborhood's children, should that concern the average Jewish pacifist?
The history channel seems to think it should. Idk about the gender theory academia and the people in charge of the 'LGBT youth' groups.
libraries were one of McCarthy's concerns.
It appears to me that McCarthy was right. Where else but libraries did the teachers get their ideas of transidentity?
90% of children are not going to read any books, and the 10% who want, can have any book in the world at their fingertips.
Amazon and other platforms are definitely removing different books depending on who is in charge.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Assuming that opponents are only “outraged” because they’re frustrated pedophiles is…uncharitable.
No, I'm showing that opponents are specifically outraged because their ability to talk about sexuality with schoolchildren is curtailed.
If I follow your argument, you meander through some sneering at Wikipedia on your way to claim that this “specific term” shouldn’t be applied to kids. Why? Because they could be obsessed with monster trucks or unicorns?
Yes, or they could love guns and playing war. Does that mean teachers should take them aside without notifying the parents and sign them up for General's Buttnaked child soldier army?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I don't think American college professors ever bring up Hitler's ideas about family and fertility as possible inspirations while addressing contemporary issues like the drop in birth rates. I'm pretty confident that at least some college professors quote the various continental philosophers as support for one or the other of their arguments.
The “don’t say gay one” made some rather sweeping statements about things which I would not classify as “talking about sex.”
Right there in #3 clearly has the "sexual" keyword.
Prohibiting classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in K-3 or if not developmentally appropriate. This is a central example of erasure.
Taking a random article quoting opponents of the bills:
Title: 'Don't Say Gay' bill would limit discussion of sexuality
Proposed legislation in Florida would restrict how teachers can discuss sexuality
critics — who've dubbed the proposal the "Don't Say Gay" bill — argue that it will strip protections from LGBTQ kids
The group Equality Florida
"This legislation is meant to stigmatize LGBTQ people, isolate LGBTQ kids, and make teachers fearful of providing a safe, inclusive classroom," the group said in a statement. "The existence of LGBTQ students and parents is not a taboo topic
Now, what are LGBT kids?
LGBT is an initialism that stands for "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender".
Perhaps we need to dig further to understand what exactly that means for kids.
A lesbian is a homosexual woman or girl.[3][4][5]
Now the first quote from a regular dictionary does not have the word girl in it. I was able to peruse the 3rd quote and it does not cover the 'girl' portion. Now we have to rely on some book published by a Bonnie Zimmerman, on which Wikipedia relies to assert that girls can be lesbians just like women.
Interestingly there is still some debate in the talk page on this subject:
Wrong definition
A lesbian is a non man who loves non men, not only a woman who loves women, non binary and other non men identifying people can be lesbians.
We should stick to what the WP:BESTSOURCES say on the matter. As of writing this comment we are using the definition from Oxford Reference's Dictionary of Psychology, and Zimmerman's encyclopedia on lesbian histories and cultures. The sources you are referencing here include an opinion piece in a student magazine and a blog post in a "peer led support and advocacy organisation".
Are we seriously trying to suggest someone biologically male who does not ID as a woman in any capacity can be a “lesbian” just because they ID as non-binary?? Is this for real??!! I thought this crap only existed on Tumblr!
...
Changing the definition The article defines lesbian as a homosexual woman or girl, but that isn't really reflective of how the term is used widely since lesbian also encompasses homoromantic women and girls, and the article acknowledges as much a bit later.
A lesbian is a homosexual woman or girl. The word is also used for women in relation to their sexual identity or sexual behavior, regardless of sexual orientation, or as an adjective to characterize or associate nouns with female homosexuality or same-sex attraction.
This is all very confused but from what I can gather, the word 'attraction' seems to play a major role in all of this, as I assume they are not expecting these so-called LGBT kids to be engaging in homosexual, genital-engaging practices to prove their membership?
Now, why have a specific term for a child that is supposedly 'attracted to the same gender' (or sex depending on who's talking)? Children can be obsessed with things such as robots, dinosaurs, cars, princesses, unicorns, mermaids... Should we automatically sign them up to for example for the unicorn lovers, the 'cloppers community'? Should we let adults come up to these specifically designated children and allow them to explain how cloppers identify themselves, which codes they use to communicate, how cloppers manage to pleasure themselves with the object of their desire...? Or does this seem absurd, weird, perhaps disgusting to an unenlightened audience?
I imagine it would take serious amounts of propaganda for such an audience to see it as completely natural for the adults they placed in charge of looking after their children to be okay with this ordeal.
How many of these kids just 'kinda liked unicorns' because one of their friends has a cool hat with unicorns on them?
How many of these kids won't even dare bring their cool unicorn hat to school anymore, because they're afraid of getting cornered by the middle-aged woman with problem glasses and froth at the mouth who just can't wait to tell them how 'cloppers' express love?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I don't condone the type of atrocity porn that the holocaust memorial enthusiasts like to propagate either.
the world won't end if they get some masturbation instructions as well.
My understanding is that the books that parents are actually upset about are more like instructions on how to get your genitals cut or how to get the latest fancy sexually-transmitted disease in the least reproductively productive way possible.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Where you see any "acceptance" of pedophilia?
Well out of the intellectuals of the 20th century, I believe American college students are a lot less exposed to Hitler's ideas on men, women and children than on those of Foucault, Deleuze, Sartre, Beauvoir, etc.
Yes, and these people lost as decisively you can lose.
Why all the outrage about the so-called 'don't say gay' Florida bill then? Why do teachers feel entitled to talk about sex with children? Why are kids getting brought to drag shows?
Why are kids made to make decisions about their genitals and whether they should undergo normal puberty or not?
Why such concern about books banned from school libraries ? No, they are not talking about Henry Ford's or Charles Murray's writings, but here is an example :
Some people have called the book sexually explicit, while other parents said they want to see their kids exposed to people from all walks of life.
Why do school libraries need explicit sexual material?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
People who want to think the left is full of pedophiles and therefore should be hated for that reason are watering down actual arguments against leftists.
This is not my argument.
My argument was that :
1- major leftist intellectuals of the 70s, during which the infamous Sexual Revolution was proclaimed, were either pedophiles or very close friends with open pedophiles (kid-diddling diary-publishing kind of open pedophiles)
2- these people and their students are still quoted, studied in humanities departments all over the West producing the rank-and-file of the regime, among which some of the people you will (have to) trust your children to
If a guy was showing you his vacation pictures in bed with children in Thailand and then persuasively told you to essentially blow up all existing rules in your society because 'dude Christianity is so oppressive and man parents can't tell you what to do'.
Would you do it?
This is apparently more or less what happened to several Western countries in the 70s.
Perhaps the real Jihad was the friends we made along the way?
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