PierreMenard
11mo ago
There's considerable variation on this.
all you have to do is go to where the people with respectable professions live.
Then I'd see white people, Indians, Asians. There's only so many middle-class black people to go around, and they are not equally distributed across the country.
but that doesn't make the large percentage of reasonable, peaceable, moderately successful black people stop existing.
Police chiefs, judges and surgeons are not 'moderately successful' imo. My point is that these people are largely invisible to the average American, except on TV, where they are mostly race-hustlers, or paid actors at work.
The average American knows that 'black' neighborhoods are not places you want to spend too much time in, 'black' schools are not places they want their kids to attend, and unless they personally know Mr Smith down the street, a black face in their neighborhood is cause for some concern.
There's a spectrum of black people Americans interact with, I'm not saying you have to be a surgeon to be respectable / not a petty criminal.
The ones that ads usually portray are basically 'average middle-class white American but dark-skinned' and I really don't think that's that common. For example the rates of parents having children together within wedlock etc are different.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Because virtue signaling works.
Virtue signaling works at achieving certain objectives, but these objectives only loosely fit with commercial success.
Pretty sure my boss thinks the customers are all progressive as well, and he knows the middlemen between us and those customers are progressive.
It'd be pretty funny to figure out how many of these people are actually true-believers. I would not be surprised if this was all a giant Rube Goldberg machine of mostly 'meh gotta roll with the punches' type of people. I had the idea recently that one of the strength of the American economy is that Americans are uniquely shaped to do almost anything that corporate requires, pushing the limits of technology way beyond what should be ethically agreed to.
It's truly a marvel.
That's actually probably a pretty good idea, but it's clearly the sort of idea a bad person would come up with. You don't want to be a bad person, do you? People don't like bad people.
They're just confused. I'm just being myself, apparently bad people are like the opposite of me. It seems that they just need some reeducation to figure out which way the wind is blowing.
and on, and on, and on.
It does seem uniquely tiresome. And I thought I was tired of the media production, but the Sisyphus clearly is somewhere else.
We had a no-shit full-bore SJW on the team injecting this stuff non-stop for a couple months, but they got let go when it turned out they didn't do any of the actual work they'd been hired to do, and then we got to crunch for a couple weeks straight to get done what they'd been supposedly working on for the last six months.
Yes I've read about this phenomenon in the scholarly greentexts.
After they were gone, I tentatively floated reversing some of the progressive bullshit changes to the art they'd demanded, and got immediately shot down. Haven't made that mistake since.
Why is that a mistake? Are you passionate about the job? Is there nothing else you could do? Have you tried amplifying the grotesque to push it further? Some kind of progressive gish-gallop like what allegedly happened to atheism+?
It seems like it would be amusing to constantly shoot down others' ideas by claiming that they violate this or that rule of the ideology. Especially if the originator is somebody higher on the hierarchy that would appear to be better knowledgeable of the rules.
Another idea you may have already been implementing is not to show the final design of your work. This is what scientists do to get published. They know reviewers will demand additional experiments or work before approving publication, so they always keep something ahead to quickly be able to deliver when the criticism comes back.
You could even exaggerate some specific traits to have your boss shoot down the design solely on that one aspect and have them forget the other minor criticisms they could have...
PierreMenard
11mo ago
He isn't laying eggs out in the wilderness
No, in some kind of refrigerated device.
presumably the people who opt to take sperms from donors are above average in terms of dedication and interest in parenting, certainly in wealth.
People with an interest in parenting don't need to buy sperm in most cases.
I would surmise that that group would be older and less likely to have large families. While wealth is a good thing to have to support a family, having young parents and siblings can arguably be beneficial as well.
Especially when it comes time to help raise grandchildren.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Yes you the lucky few who gets to live in a blue neighborhood with the right balance of diversity that white people feel proud that their kids have a balanced learning environment enriched with a certain je-ne-sais-quoi that corporate elites love to broadcast, but not such that the local schools scores go down too sharply.
Supposedly you're not walking your dog by the projects.
It appears that you're not the target for these 'black people are wonderful but in a relatable way' ads.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
This all reminds me of the movie Pleasantville.
What I most distinctively remember from it is that the kids are taught in public schools about the evils of STDs and teen pregnancy. It appears to me that condom-related sex ed was a major psy-op for the average middle-class teenager. Indeed, STDs are mostly transmitted by drug users and MSM, not the average encounter for the types of people most likely to conform to what the teachers say.
It really is propaganda, where characters of a 1950s' sitcom gain colors as they gradually go through a sped-up sexual revolution and some other modernization (not racial integration unfortunately)
"Pleasantville" is the kind of parable that encourages us to re-evaluate the good old days and take a fresh look at the new world we so easily dismiss as decadent. Yes, we have more problems. But also more solutions, more opportunities and more freedom. I grew up in the '50s. It was a lot more like the world of "Pleasantville" than you might imagine. Yes, my house had a picket fence, and dinner was always on the table at a quarter to six, but things were wrong that I didn't even know the words for.
We're already fully bathed in this type of propaganda, like fish in the sea, we don't even imagine that things could be different.
Second I'm not saying you out not to notice who your enemies are. I'm saying that you ought not to care.
Noticing is usually a first step toward action. You can't notice if you don't care, and you can't take action if you don't notice. What your hypothetical enemies want you to do is not care; they want you to only get upset if you actually see more white people than usual.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
I'm a sperm donor, so I'll have some descendants running around.
So you care about the future state of fertility out of care for your descendants but you don't care enough to actually help raise them?
Most of the high fertility subgroups are subsidized by larger, less fertile society. Color me skeptical of the 'Amish/Haredim will inherit the earth' scenarios.
What other scenarios do you have?
People who don't have kids are not suddenly going to muster the courage to because Elon Musk came out with an artificial womb. Innovations in social engineering so that if you have a kid and they just up and die for whatever reason like you were too busy watching Youtube shorts then it's no big deal would go a longer way I suppose.
There was that one incident of some scientist woman who was too wrapped up in her stressful and important duties that she forgot to take out a young child out of a car and ended up losing it. This is probably what's keeping a lot of more-educated people out of parenting.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
They can't ignore them, they have to counter-balance the existing signal.
Less well-adjusted black people show up in the news for murder, sex trafficking, carjacking, shoplifting, brawls, failing schools... When there's a successful one in a talk-show they often have some kind of sob-story of under-privileged community, overcoming some system's injustice or other...
It appears that the only chance to see successful Blacks in respectable professions (not political/grievance activism but as judge, police chief, surgeon...) or as quiet, satisfied customers is when they are acting, directed by non-blacks.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
As far as I'm concerned, we either have to figure out some secret third thing that will solve falling fertility (whether it be artificial wombs or whatever) or resign ourselves to extinction. Either of those are preferable in my eyes to a return to pre-modern existence, though obviously the first would be better.
It really is not that hard to make babies. Why would artificial wombs be needed?
resign ourselves to extinction
Natural selection is making room for the ones that can figure it out. Like this bus driver in Japan.
and a lot of people think pre-modern society was horrible in just about every respect and not worth reproducing.
Don't then. If you're not reproducing the future state of humanity is not really your business.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
I think the question that you, the person posting under the pseudonym @I_like_big_mottes, need to ask is why do you care so much? Why is your sense of self and feelings of validation so wrapped up in seeing yourself on screen. That strikes me as the far more interesting question.
Not the user but I can surmise that perhaps they fell under the very spell that that media is trying to sell: "Representation matters". That is the message that a certain number of these companies are paying to air, in apparently considerably bigger numbers than in 1990 or 1950.
It could be argued that the poster has in a sense gotten their own mind warped up, transmogrified, 'diversified', n-wordified, so to speak. Indeed, one could believe that white people ought to only care for high-culture such as fine literature, the sciences, academic discussion and such, not whatever garbage comes out of advertisement-streaming devices.
Therefore if one such white person were to incidentally encounter one such advertisement by pure mistake, they would not in anyway be influenced, as such allegedly trite display of propaganda would only alter the psyche of an allegedly lower type of viewer.
No white person of considerable value would ever get their sense of self and feeling of validation wrapped up in what appears on a screen. I would additionally surmise that such a fine user of the screen-mediated themotter.org as @HlynkaCG would never behave in such a manner.
In conclusion, it appears to me that when Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines starts broadcasting that white people have to go and where the machetes are, only a fool ought to notice.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
The desire to do anything possible to increase the chances of success is likewise considerable. And that's why I burned a couple days some time ago making art for a progressive fundraising campaign that I absolutely despise and that had zero to do with our product, but that my boss thought might get the company some good press. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
But why is that the option? From a manager's POV, they can either get staff to spend X hours working on getting progressive acceptance or X hours on making the actual customers want the game more. For example thinking of ways of making the game more fun or more mesmerizing, the story more compelling, etc.
Wouldn't a brainstorming session 'give me the most controversial idea that you think could create press / make more people interested in the game you can think of' be just as valuable if not more? I can't imagine what kind of pressure the people working there are working under, being creative within extremely narrow guidelines.
Perhaps having a character say dirty, sexist or racist jokes could make the game more interesting. Unless there is no dialogue whatsoever.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
So it's more a matter of placing the company on the map of 'good guys' or for individuals to make sure that they can keep finding jobs in the same type of companies.
you want buzz, you want people cheering you on and giving you good press, well, there's a set of beliefs and behaviors that get you that, and there's another set of beliefs and behaviors that definately will not.
Making a good game with innovative, fun gameplay, interesting visuals and story, compelling characters etc, would definitely make you (commercially) successful as well. Insofar your company is not banned from payment processing I suppose.
Of course that's much harder so the sea of average workers of the industry just go for the low-hanging fruit.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Have you ever asked why?
Video games with more diverse characters don't seem to sell more.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
the version of liberalism that defeated the Nazis and communists was quite a bit less liberal than the version that I want.
Yes, the Nazis allowed quarter-jewish people to marry Germans while many white Americans were not allowed to marry quarter-black Americans.
It's not really free speech, freedom of religion, or due process that defeated the nazis but overwhelming fire-power and millions of slavic bodies.
Modern secular liberalism does not seem capable of sustaining birthrates, so all the muslims have to do is come in and wait for the old liberals to die out for a victory by default.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Well you seem to think that it's only up to the American people to keep offering billions of dollars in tribute to Israel, but what about the Israelis?
It may do a little bit to combat vicious stereotypes to have the Israeli state refuse to engage in a one-sided relationship with the US.
For example, they could issue a statement:
We thereby and going forward refuse all financial aid from the United States as we would never be able to repay the American people in kind.
We also politely decline the intervention of American forces in our ongoing border conflict with the state of Palestine, as the Israeli people is strong enough on its own to handle any and all foreign threats to its sovereignty without a complex network of intelligence agents, sex traffickers and international financiers to lobby, blackmail, manipulate foreign governments and orchestrate the foreign policies of our so-called 'allies'.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
If only Americans had laws like the English in the 13th century to prevent certain moneyed interests from accumulating excessive political power.
Things are changing tho, the wheel of history is as usual turning, and the unexplainable, unfathomable ugliness of antisemitism is once again rearing its head.
It should all work out this time around tho.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I find it strage that Israelis are condemed for wanting to get rid of a minority
I think the problem is the hypocrisy.
It seems that the people who want Westerners to believe that it's okay for Israelis to get rid of a minority are also the ones who think it's not acceptable for Westerners to get rid of a minority (Jews for example).
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I suppose I missed that. Still primarily a low-effort poster, that plus the systematic comment deletion should be enough to mod before getting into games of 'being authentic' or not.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
He manufactured hundreds of fake, low-quality debates here that were designed to look like the WN side won.
He didn't really manufacture anything as from what I recall he never really bothered replying to comments. Somebody who only drops links or excerpts of other people's opinions with one line of 'what do you guys think of this literally-who-WN I just fished, aren't WN bad?' strikes me as prime 'low effort' posting. As far as I know, the guy hasn't even expressed a single opinion. Just noise. What's interesting is when people who put a little bit of effort reacted to the material, but there's not much to go from.
The original pristine state is when your opinions come from observing real debates and reading stuff organically.
Where are the real debates including white nationalists? Where are the lie-free sources?
It seems to me that democracy is about caring about what the billionaires who own the media tell us to care about, and to rubberstamp these billionaires' point-of-views.
There is no pristine state in such an environment.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I think you're referring to Roman Catholicism, not Christianity which was able to live along with Muslims, Jews, pagans in relative peace for centuries and still to this day in the Middle-East.
Liberalism is a product of Roman Catholicism, or perhaps the new version of it, in which propagating the imperial ideology is more important than each individual's actual salvation/well-being.
these people carry some rare set of memes that evidently conveys resistance to conversion despite exposure to liberal ideas.
Is that the actual liberal position on white nationalism?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Anyway that’s not the point: if your worldview, whatever it might be, has been corrupted by deception, then when the deception is uncovered, your worldview should be corrected, even over-corrected (to account for as yet undiscovered deceptions), back to an original pristine state.
What does that even mean? What is the original pristine state?
I don't think anybody actually formulates a worldview based on null hypothesis or something like 'out of all Y arguments, X have been disproved, therefore I only retain as true Z until disproven'.
What do you even mean by deception? Is the socratic method deception?
calling whites’ ‘false consciousness’ the result of manipulation by (((elites))), or of some inherent mysterious quality of whiteness, which somehow makes them both flawed and superior.
I have met plenty of white nationalists but I don't think I've met a supremacist. While some will argue that white people are superior due to X, Y, Z, they usually concede that they are not flawless, that they are currently as a people on the backfoot of history, a shadow of their former glory. Hence the need to organize as a group 'white people' or whatever other denomination they may give themselves.
They usually look to the past (RETVRN), to some previous state of existence of 'white people' as a group that was superior to what it is now. Plenty of them are also able to acknowledge virtue in members of other groups, whether they call them 'honorary aryans' or 'one of the good ones', or even acknowledge an entire group (ie Jared Taylor is fluent in Japanese and has cordial discussions with Japanese people who agree with him that huwyte people should be able to live in homogeneous groups if they so choose).
It's kind of a flavor thing, some people like vanilla over chocolate, does not mean vanilla or chocolate are objectively superior.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Bag yourself a wife before you leave.
PierreMenard
1yr ago
I'm not a white nationalist, but I'm also not smart enough to offer a rebuttal and I'd like users here, who are a lot smarter, to point out blind spots in white nationalist arguments.
If you can't offer a rebuttal does that mean that you agree? In that case why are you not a 'white nationalist'? Why do you care so much about white nationalists when they are such a fringe movement at this time?
PierreMenard
1yr ago
Liberalism is largely a white invention, I would say one of the greatest of all white inventions.
Would you say that the invention of liberalism would make one people 'supreme'?
It is a bit contradictory to have the mindset of "we are better than those savages but you know what, we should act more like they do when it comes to matters of race and immigration!"
Conversely, isn't it a bit contradictory to have the mindset of "we are better than those savages who did not invent liberalism and live violent, backward lives filled with sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, but you know what, we should let them all in and then complain when they act exactly like they did before we invited them in"?
Oh and one more "we are better than those savages who do not believe in liberalism (white nationalists), therefore we should ban them from participating in all the liberal institutions".
PierreMenard
1yr ago
If you fell for this, it could be that most of the arguments you thought you won decisively was just one of your own letting you win to boost your confidence. Your ideology should pay for deceiving you and others by projecting this fake image.
Where are the people arguing against (white) nationalism?
There seems to be a general refusal to ever defend multiculturalism as the Western world spends billions refereeing border disputes between people one can hardly tell apart.
This probably changed, but those STDs were not the target of sex ed propaganda in the 2000s. That movie is so over-the-top that I thought it was reverse-propaganda, and maybe it was, like Elysium.
Well the social order was much different then with more sex work, sailors and soldiers... It seems that syphilis went down thanks to antibiotics, not condoms or sex ed propaganda.
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