PierreMenard
11mo ago
Conveniently sidestepping the hypothetical.
Science comes and go. One of the pioneers of sex reassignment surgery, which you seem to be supportive of, Magnus Hirschfeld, apparently referred to a woman as suffering from hysteria, for which one of the recognized treatments was sex.
Hirschfeld also testified that, though he still believed female sexuality was normal, Elbe was suffering from hysteria caused by a lack of sex, and so the court should discount her stories about a sexual relationship between Moltke and Eulenburg.
If Science suddenly flipped, would you accept the treatment for your child?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
So if a medical professional built up on the work of Wilhelm Reich and confidently came out with something like 'sexually repressed' youth and diagnosed your child, would it be okay for them to get some much needed relief?
How many medical professionals need to get together for you to agree that this is fine? What if all the medical professionals who disagree get banned from X?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
I don't need somebody pretending to be ChatGPT to give me an hypothetical answer to a question when we have people here with the existing position to give us their actual answer.
You might as well ask a Muslim how he can abstain from alcohol. Good Christians don’t drink to excess, of course, but how could a Godless heathen justify such restraint? He doesn’t even count 1 Corinthians as scripture!
I understand that Muslims have rules similar to Christians and they follow these rules. They don't have to be identical to Christian rules' for me to understand where the Muslims are coming from. I can read a novel or watch a movie and disagree with a character's motivations and logic but still understand why they would undertake certain actions based on that character and motivations.
If we're discussing progressives, then we need to explain why they feel justified in saying certain type of gross behavior should be illegal when they've spent the last few decades telling us that people behaving in a gross manner should not be jailed or discriminated against.
So, too, with progressives—and socialists, and fascists, and most modern Westerners—who have settled on one or another reason not to have sex with children.
Well I'm curious to what that answer is, and if some kind of logic can be built upon if we want to understand the progressive's mind and where this ideology is taking us.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Adults should not have sex with children
Why not? What's your moral justification against it (and how does it not apply to puberty blockers)?
What about children with children? If the teachers were to have practical sex-ed organizing orgies between pupils? Perhaps filming for educational purposes as well.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
According to a list compiled by the conservative group Parents Defending Education, there are thousands of schools in the US where teachers hide social transition from parents.
Most people probably only know the policies of a couple schools so it's hard to tell but this seems to be a pretty general movement across the US.
This mostly doesn't happen.
Are you against it? Or is the Law of Merited Impossibility striking again?
Would you be against teachers putting in the same kind of effort but to help their students hatch the egg of 'I really want to have sex with grown-ups asap'?
If yes, why?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
You seem to object to the technicality of 'grooming'.
But what if teachers did want to have sex with kids and did try to influence them to have sex with them?
They would proceed in the same manner that teachers are currently doing with the trans questions. They're finding the 'trans' kids and helping them come out to their actual identity that was hidden all along.
Except in this case they're finding the kids that just happen to really want to have sex with adults.
Not forcing any kids, just helping them find 'who they truly are' inside.
Would you be opposed to it, and on what ground?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Consider some reasons age might be categorically different from race:
Race is not the elephant in the room, it's sex.
Children grow from young to old, but not from white to black. Judging based on the latter is less moral.
My point is that if schools, judges and the public can collectively go against parents for decisions their children take, why not regarding dating pedophiles. If boys can become women I don't see why white boys couldn't become black men if they so desired, or if Michael Jackson suddenly decided to identify as 'white', what the issue would be?
We already restrict the rights of children to engage in commerce and move freely. Imposing on another adult right is therefore acceptable.
Less and less in the area of sex change. There are progressives right now arguing that it's not parents' business if the kids want to see doctors and therapists, buy and take hormones, live in a safespace LGBT shelter etc...
Moral law, if one subscribes to any of the systems which proscribe pedophilia.
Which is my question, on which moral basis would a progressive proscribe the sexualization of children and pedophilia?
Without exception, adults were once children, but the reverse is not true, so there cannot be equality between adults and children.
What is the relevance in this case? Also progressives want us to believe that FTM transpeople are just as women as women that were ever only girls and women.
The ever-popular power differential, which violates a consent-based ethics very popular among liberals.
Then why is it okay for teachers and school administrators to tell kids that they can become girls/boys if they so wish? Isn't there a power differential there?
It’s gross. You may not believe it, but your enemies are also capable of a disgust reflex.
That was not a valid argument to prevent the legalization and acceptance of LGBT issues.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
they don't.
Why not?
What is the difference between
- A - a middle-school teacher giving a few lectures 'perhaps you look like a boy/girl but you're actually a girl/boy' and then asking every pupil if they want the class to start referring to them as the new sex (opposite to the one their parents put down on their enrollment form)...
- B - a middle-school teacher giving a few lectures 'sex feels great, maybe we should all have some' and then asking every pupil if they want to sign up for an orgy instead of PE this afternoon...
It's all consensual, if a pupil feels uncomfortable about A or B, then they don't have to sign up. Parents don't have to know because they could be transphobic or anti-sex-liberated-kids.
If you have an objection with B because orgies are totally different in degree than the soft 'social transition' that progressive schools are facilitating all over the country, how about dirty talk?
If you sign up for B' then adults at the school are going to tell you how cute your butt looks or some other sexualized comments, and encourage (or even force) other kids to do so as well.
If you have no issue with option A, do you have any issue with option B (or B'), and if so, why?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Surely some of these activists are acting on selfish motivations 'I shouldn't get arrested for selling hormones online to teenagers'.
'Huge moneymaker' gushed one doctor involved in sex-reassignment surgeries at Vanderbilt in 2018.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
I think pedophilia is bad because kids are not adults and adults should shield children from sin by showing them what is right and what is wrong and by keeping them away from situations in which they would not be able to make good decisions.
Adults are to gradually give more responsibility to children to teach them how to behave as good Christians.
Even if a progressive leader (teacher or other) was persuasive enough to convince one of my children that they want to use their body with an adult, I would try and get them away from that situation as that is not what God intends for us to teach our children. Depending on how quick the progressive gets to them, they may not even have been taught about the importance of chastity yet.
I would not necessarily put a hard limit at 18 years old, perhaps 16 years old if my daughter is mature enough and the prospective marriage partner is an amazing deal... I doubt my son could get married at 16 unless he already has his own business running or some other proof of being able to support a family that would secure a wife that I would approve of.
I will not approve of fornication even after 18, because I don't think sex is tennis.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
There's a wide spectrum of people banned on various websites.
There's Alex Jones who is not antisemitic and not really a WN as far as I know.
There are elections / democracy skeptics.
There are antivaxxers who are not necessarily WNs (Alex Berenson is a zionist judging from his substack).
There are anti-feminists like James Damore.
There are TERFs.
There are gamergaters.
There are people who mock the obese.
There are anti-homosexuality people.
There are people who follow the same trails of thought as a Chappelle and who are not necessarily WN (Kanye West excluded perhaps?).
There is overlap, but a lot of these people are not WNs and most of the time they do not get banned for WN-related discussions.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
This hits close to this widely downvoted comment I made on the topic.
I want to see people in the camp of 'sex is just like tennis' and even actually 'sex is just like tennis and tennis is a game you can play with a ball or not, and perhaps a racket but maybe not' explain it.
Why is 'groomer' a bad word to them? If open nudity, open fornication, children performing alongside adults in sexualized situations are all to be celebrated... then why not just admit 'yes actually we want to screw your kids' or at the very least 'if somebody else did we're okay with it'?
What is the contemporary justification that this is not okay?
If a father can be shamed for opposing their child dating somebody who is too dark, too male/female, or for deciding that they were the other sex all along... If a child rejecting the father's strict heterosexual, ethnocentric norms is to be celebrated...
Then why should progressives not shame a father for opposing their child dating an older adult who opened their mind about the beauty of inter-generational sexual relationships etc?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Perhaps they do not like interacting with people whose opinions get them banned on large Western websites.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Baby poop really isn't that bad. Much smaller quantities and probably much less fragrance in general. This may depend on the diet. We tend to feed babies very simple dishes like pureed vegetables, pasta, rice, cut fruits, and a lot of dairy (milk and yogurt). It may get more pungent if they eat garlic, onions, eggs, meats... It smells so little sometimes that you don't even notice it until you actually take off the diaper.
I find the biggest inconvenience to be the dirtiness of it, having to quickly dispose of a very full diaper before somebody decides to play with it and stick it on clothes or carpet. Also wiggly babies that will not let you tie them up, but eventually they calm down.
By the time it starts getting more significant, you should have them potty-trained (2-3 years old).
PierreMenard
11mo ago
The best defense against this is to not live among Blues, and it is a strategy I pursue;
Clearly not for your employment.
And yet, there's many millions of black people who are not like that, and avoiding the one and coexisting with the other is more or less a solved problem in large swathes of the country.
I disagree with that assessment. It wasn't solved for the McMichaels, and it's not solved for thousands of white Americans. Every productive black American potentially comes with a family member in-and-out of jail, a vindictive ex-partner, former gang relationships etc etc. It appears to me that the college-educated ones are deeply Blue, while the other ones have a vague ethnic commitment where if they were to commit a crime they'd go for a white target rather than their kin.
Nothing may ever happen to you and your family, that seems unlikely, but possible. If something does happen to you and a cell phone video is taken, then an entire country will be against you, and even being exonerated may take weeks or months.
I'm familiar with the incident, and I think my assessment differs pretty significantly from yours.
I don't think there is a need to prosecute this kind of altercation. Chicago calls it 'mutual combat'.
If death is the potential consequence to 'inspecting job sites' on private property, then maybe that will deter such behavior. Is that good or bad? Let the locals decide.
If I felt attacked by some outsiders lurking around my property and my people, I would want my neighbors to come out and support me, not worry about due process, staying home letting the government or nobody handle it.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
there is a shortage of children without parents who want to take care of them
The people who want to adopt them would probably stuff them in daycares and schools asap.
They can always volunteer in daycares and schools which are currently under-staffed if they have such a desire to take care of other people's children.
If you have a bulge where the current population is getting older but there are fewer young people coming up, then your economy is in trouble.
Sounds like you need to change up your economy then.
What did the horse breeders do when Americans started driving cars? Carmakers can keep shifting their production to SUV and more accessible vehicles, and then eventually come back full circle and start making horse buggies again.
If Star Wars fans are not getting made anymore, perhaps media companies can shift to making Christian movies.
If robots can earn money or produce revenue to support the welfare state, then that's the way to go.
Or maybe we can scale down the welfare state? Make these retirement payments conditional to having had dependents (what you've provided on your tax returns...)?
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Hopefully you have more sense than to film yourself and call the police on yourself if anything needs to be handled.
While TV ads may actually accurately represent the proportion of black Americans in your environment (51% seems about right), they still vastly overrepresent the proportion in mixed-race relationships, and most of these actors don't have a southern accent either.
Additionally, Southern people are about the only group media members still find appropriate to poke fun at, so I doubt that the average middle class black Southern American actually feels very represented by California-based productions dripping with contempt for his lifestyle.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
An artificial womb would shorten that pause to the time spent taking care of the newborn before it can be sent to daycare, time which could be more equitably split with the father than the time being pregnant could.
It sounds like some kind of subscription child-rental business would be more appropriate if the idea is to have other people handle the birthing and then ship them to daycare. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Artificial wombs in themselves don't solve the problem of the 'next two decades dependents'.
What do you do with these artificially-born children?
Are they going to be slaves fully raised by some kind of government or corporate facility?
Or is the idea that the market is going to capture potential parents that would want to take care of additional dependents but do not have access to a fresh womb?
I doubt that that would be a lot of people. Raising kids takes energy and people tend to run out of energy as they age. Helping raise grand-children, nephews and nieces, now that's a more accessible goal for a children-loving middle-aged or senior citizen.
If there is such a glut of desperate people just waiting to take care of children, all they have to do is knock on doors, network, involve themselves locally... Daycares take volunteers if you are ready to jump through licensing hoops.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
If you want babies, but nobody wants to have those babies the natural way, then you need technology and artifice.
But why want babies?
People's revealed preference is not to have any, or few. Is the concern coming from business owners who need cheap (preferably teenage) labor for fast food restaurants or janitor positions that cannot immediately be automated? Is it because we need able-bodied workers for care jobs in nursing homes?
The solutions are robots and deregulation. Let's just make it legally clear that if you drop your elderly relative that you don't care enough about to look after yourself in some kind of hospital or managed home, they may just end up dead for no reasonable reason. You sign on this or you take them home and you deal with them yourself.
There. No more liability, no more costly trainings and procedures to avoid liability, no more staffing issues...
Let's give the unloved elderly the same level of respect we afford unloved pre-birth children.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Are you encouraging women to leave their husbands because they're infertile?
Not necessarily, I would just advise people who actually want to raise children to make that a priority in their life. If you belong to a secular tribe, you could easily try out a partner and leave them if they are infertile.
If you don't belong to a secular tribe and God does not send you the children you hoped for, you'll probably find plenty of children in your tribe to help out with.
The hard part is not making them, it's actually taking care of the children.
PierreMenard
11mo ago
Pretty sure black police chiefs aren't exactly rare IRL. Judges I have no idea about, but I do enjoy Clarence Thomas. Surgeons I have no idea about, but would expect "Blacks less likely" to apply.
If you meet Clarence Thomas walking your dog, you don't live in the average American neighborhood.
The blacks moving in can afford the housing prices, which means they've more or less got their shit together.
They don't need to move in to be in a neighborhood, sometimes they're just 'jogging' through. If none of your neighbors are black and you see some unknown dark faces then it is uncommon.
Could be somebody's friend visiting or one of the horrific situations you hear about on the news too often.
So there's a lot more poor blacks and a lot less rich blacks relative to whites, but the middle portion of the graph is going to be fairly similar.
I don't think your neighborhood is representative of what white American tv watchers live.
I know of 2 different wealthy/middle-class neighborhoods with a mix of Indians and whites in 2 different states, but I've never been in a mixed black wealthy/middle class neighborhood. I'm sure black judges and surgeons live in nice neighborhoods, but I expect them to be in a minority there and to be unlikely to see them while walking my dog.
Nope. There's too many middle-class black people where I live, way too far from the actual ghetto, for this to be a realistic concern.
My point all along is that your specific living situation is not universal across the country, yet advertisers predominantly show that specific white-washed middle-class American, with 'middle-class white Americans but dark-skinned' actors.
I think it would be better to show more black people on the poor side (ie the majority of them) and I'm sure white people on the poor side would also be able to relate to them. From what I've noticed, (poor) black women are more likely to be taking care of their family personally, at home.
I knew of one college students taking classes online while full-time handling a heavily disabled brother.
I had one neighbor (who was not a judge, police chief, surgeon etc) who had 2 disabled family members living with them. On my first and only conversation with another of her relatives I later learned was a convicted felon, they casually shared the story of some uncle doing time for a horrific homicide. I've know of many apparently 'good' white families with a failson, junkie or other - supposedly there is even one in the White House- but to me that interaction stood out. This kind of nuance of a good, hard-working person being 1-degree related to brutal [former?] criminals is not something American media shows.
The type of black people who appear in the media are more likely to show concern for admission to Ivy League schools, disparities in boardrooms and other upper-class concerns than the type of issues that most black Americans have to deal with. Broken families, out-of-wedlock childrearing, food deserts, transportation issues, crime issues...
PierreMenard
11mo ago
The typical reason for seeking donor sperm is male infertility in a normal couple, in other words they want kids yet find out they can't have them, biologically related to the man at the least.
Yes, I understand that, but most people who want kids don't have that issue.
There wouldn't be such a high abortion rate if the average person needed a specific medicalized procedure to get a woman pregnant.
Absent that specific procedure, the woman with a burning desire to have kids could easily find a different mate to get it done, considering how common it is for people to swap partners these days.
Well this made me try and find out why exactly the LGB(T) organizations decided to distance themselves from NAMBLA & co, and from this single source, I don't really see a reason.
If anybody knows why in the 80s-90s, suddenly LGBT activists decided that kiddie-diddlers were not part of the coalition anymore, please let me know.
Here are 2 quotes from it:
Both of these are pretty bewildering to me.
One argument that this article makes is that in some cases LGBT activists ended up on the same side as the diddlers because anti-LGBT laws were based on age of consent, ie age of consent for homosexual acts were higher than heterosexual age of consent, so lowering the age of consent was a way to bring about 'equality'.
Another argument is that making homosexual lifestyle illegal / disapproved of encourages adults to take advantage of teenagers in poor situations, and is less likely in a more tolerant society, so supporting people engaged in that lifestyle is not as important to the community.
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