Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
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Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
If it helps you, Im not christian or even really adjacent, and I have liked a good bit of hlynka, even as we disagreed. The fact is that most people here had their political formation entirely within the liberal frame - whether in agreement or opposition, and its quite hard to take the country out of the boy. They do, in fact, agree on quite a few things without being aware of it, which most anyone from outside that context can see, even if theyre quite a different kind of conservative. Naturally this is hard to summarise or explain outside a concrete case, but heres two comments I found that might help.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
have more conservative sexual ethics than most on the DR(which in its most mainstream form endorses male promiscuity)
Would like to hear your thoughts on this: Its natural for a toddler to run directly towards the danger sometimes. Its not good for them to actually get there, and you should stop them - but if one of them never did that, its propably not actually well. In the same way, while I think its bad for promiscuity to happen, Im not sure the "ideal trad man" who would never even consider trying, is all that well. And I think this is often the motivation for this BAP position: Theyd be fine with a father/brother/husband being protective of a women (ok maybe fight him, but realistically mostly not), and would encourage you to be that man, but they hate trads preaching at them.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
At risk of spiderman-pointing, your objection was known within nietzscheanism since Nietzsche himself, who had read the original texts a whole lot. He argued that the greeks extolled restraint because they were so virile and considered that the natural state of things.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
For the record, I think neither user had wrong intent in this thread (similarly relying on personal judgement about @WhiningCoil. His comment is in fact weird and I may have warned him anyway for objectivities sake), and I think jeroboam is to blame in the linked thread. Im fairly sure Im not tribally aligned with @4bpp, though I like him personally. I think his psychologising you is false, but Im not sure what you are thinking.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
2d ago
That's not crazy, but doesn't it slow down reading even more than a verbal monologue would?
Not sure why you think that, but Im not thinking much about speed, just understanding at all. I agree that text is easier than a monologue.
I think in a normal "explanatory conversation", the listerner already talks back with his own understanding, which the "teacher" uses to judge.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
People who can't correctly answer basic reading comprehension questions aren't going to become able to answer them because a phone reads them out loud. In cases where they realize they're misunderstanding, they might be able to straighten themselves out by asking the phone AI, but too often people don't know what they don't know.
Technically agree about the reading-out part, but I think youve got the mechanism wrong. This is not just about being too dumb to understand things at all (Im quite pessimistic about average intelligence, but have you seen some reading comrehension fails?) - its about the different style of interaction. With reading (or video), you are in charge of making the information transfer work. When something is explained, not just verbally but in conversation, the other can assess your reactions and guide you down the right path, which is much easier and propably more evolutionarily consistent. You really have to get quite stupid before both people regularly believe theyre on the same page when theyre not. And conversational explanation might be AI-able.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
3d ago
I... dont think patchwork is very important to many "dissident rightists", possibly not even Moldbug himself. Its not really related to any of the things you quoted in your first comment, at least.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
4d ago
Is there an explanation of how they got those numbers as well? The excel offered is static and AFAICT has no additional info above the site. A few questions: Am I reading it correctly that they expect no compounding effect, just one multiplier? How is the GDP effect only -0.6%, if the price level is +2.3%? And Im assuming the GDP effect counts the fiscal revenue already, since otherwise its net-positive.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5d ago
I think American housing value...
And how do you expect this fact to make its way into PPP determinations? I mean even aside the overton considerations, is there any way to say how much of US housing prices are due to this, beyond "I reckon"? At risk of meme-ing, if I said that living in a free and democratic country is valuable to consumers and this is reflected in the prices of the naturally limited houses-near-XYZ in such countries, how do we know youre right and Im wrong? Indicator measures arent useful if measuring them is epistemology-complete, which is why PPP is almost certainly defined in a way that cant detect these things.
especially if they do not meaningfully coexist on either market
Im sure this is true in some cases, but I dont think its true "across industries". And with services it seems like the default case - e.g. the "style of waiting" in everyday-grade european restaurants propably isnt offered in the US - so they propably have some strategy to capture it anyway
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5d ago
I dont generally look for these things either, because with more "normal" policies you have a good enough idea anyway that the details dont matter, and its not like these forecasts are that precise to begin with - unfortunately that means I dont know how to find one now that I would want it. Im pretty sure even good tariff equation apologetics is not what Im looking for.
I have kept my youtube free of politics-first content. Most political discussion is very unpleasant for me in audio, which likely contributed to achieving this, but I would very much recommend.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5d ago
If Chinas service economy is actually triple of what those numbers say, it gets you from 125% of US to ~155% - not a significant change to debt/GDP.
The affordability crisis in Western economies, the US in particular, is largely driven by inflation of necessary services – rent, healthcare, education and childcare – not by manufactured goods.
This is still propably a problem with the concept rather than the measurement - depending on how exactly PPP is defined, but just a few things being weirdly expensive it would likely miss. With housing especially, if you consider the value of location at all, its hard to see how international "quality" comparisons could be made.
Also not captured by the ICP survey conducted in 2021 are the price and service wars that have broken out across industries and products
Why are they not captured?
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5d ago
Can someone recommend an explained numerical estimate of the economic effects of the recent tariffs, assuming they continue unchanged? Looking for something from a broadly neoclassical perspective, largely based on general theory (not "look at my linear regression mum"), that isnt aiming for maximum Trump-condemnation.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
5d ago
China’s PPP GDP is only 25% larger than that of the US? Come on people… who are we kidding?
Its not hard to pick out a few industries youre strong in. The only number there thats worth taking seriously for macro measures is electricity. And that still seems consistent with the 25% number - manufacturing generally needs more electricity than services, e.g. Icelands GDP is not actually underestimated. Theres an argument that services are BS and therefore Chinas economy really is better - but at that point, youre far enough from conventional economics that GDP is a questionable measure anyway.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
13d ago
Indeed he is, though I wouldnt have considered that part remarkable.
and answering the boundary question with a set of traits from the cluster will rightfully draw ridicule
Why is it better to answer with the entire cluster? It seems progressives should still object to western social norms defining "women" a moderate amount, just like they object to them doing so exclusively.
...lest all of this seem a bit to hostile, I dont remember hearing either the name or clique argument before. Thank you for participating.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
25d ago
Thats because there usually is only one person called William thats relevant to any given statement, and things do in fact go south pretty quickly when you cant keep it that way.
Within philosophy of language more broadly, proper and personal names are always a bit of a pain point. If you dont have a revisionist theory of them (and your argument relies on not doing so), then you generally need a much more fragmentary theory in general, where the pieces are sensitive to more parameters then we would usually expect, and then trying to generalise from personal names to something else would require a lot more checking to see if the situation is analogous, which its definitely not in this case.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
25d ago
So, it only matters to the members of the clique, which is just *checks notes* 50% of the population. Shouldnt be relevant to public discourse then.
But I dont think even outsiders go by self-identification, I would expect them to call people goths for the appearance alone, even if those people themselves disagree. Though they tend include more rather than less. Thats because they dont really care about the subculture, whereas men and women are concerned with each other for obvious reasons. And if there were legal or social rules about goth toleration, obviously it would be different again.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
26d ago
"Keith is goth" clearly means something, even though it doesn't actually tell you any specific thing about what Keith is like besides identifying as goth.
It actually doesnt tell you whether he identifies that way, it tells you whether the speaker identifies him that way. Indeed, pretty much all subcultures will explictly reject self-identification when they feel like it, usually to keep out the "posers" but occasionally also to "claim" prominent people. Persistent disagreements about such claims of inclusion or exclusion tend to fracture the subculture.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
27d ago
But why does man-made beauty need to be something normies hate? As a strong example, consider traditional bonsai, which is primarily about making things more natural than nature. Theres also a strand of modern industrial design which isnt forcefully minimalist;the things it makes are not usually beautiful, but they are cool, and in certain product categories very popular. The architecture version is the glassbox skyscraper, which is not super popular but propably some of the best of modernism.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
29d ago
not because sex is uniquely bad on its face (and sexual liberals do indeed reject that notion) but because, most of the time, it's violating an explicit agreement not to do that.
And that agreement is made because bad to do the things that violate it. Theres a difference between following liberal rules, and believing in liberalism - much like with secularism.
Lykurg
We're all living in Amerika
29d ago
The Tate thesis, insofar as there is such a thing, is that its perfectly fine for you to know who he is, because he doesnt need your cooperation. Weve created a society where he can be rich just fine without being trustworthy. Hence also the islam thing - whether he personally would or could change his tune in a more traditional society remains in question of course, but he may well die before it comes to that.
Thats not quite what I meant. Disincentivising fornication is fine, and men generally can avoid it then. But you do in fact have to disincentivise it, and they will look for a way to get away with it - and the question is if that is itself a personal defect that should be corrected. Correcting it is... not necessarily identical to true asexuality, but given the layout of the human mind that would propably be the easiest way to do it, and there are likely to be significant similarities with other ways.
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