DiscourseMagnus
1d ago
No, there were definitely people criticizing Twilight on a moral panic level and not just a cringe level. Fifty Shades Of Grey, too. These strains of commentary were still notably muted, though, and likely fading out.
DiscourseMagnus
2d ago
I just don't feel like it constitutes evidence that my posts are unclear that your first guess as to what I meant was 100% correct.
DiscourseMagnus
2d ago
You asked me to clarify that I said the thing I just said? That sounds more like you found it upsetting and outside the Overton Window than confusing.
DiscourseMagnus
2d ago
I think my meaning was perfectly clear. You don't seem to have been confused by it.
DiscourseMagnus
2d ago
Yes, that's what I was saying.
DiscourseMagnus
4d ago
You might think that the pro-trans SJWs lack the credentials to be proper man-hating feminists for various valid reasons, but they are nonetheless overwhelmingly the center of gravity of political actors who conceive of themselves as proper man-hating feminists today.
DiscourseMagnus
4d ago
SJWs generally train in a style of rhetoric that relies on bullying people and presenting yourself as Locally Normal And High Status, which looks ludicrous when it isn’t.
DiscourseMagnus
4d ago
I'm not pointing to an ideological contradiction, I'm saying that they’re the overlap of groups that barely overlap.
DiscourseMagnus
4d ago
I'm all for sticking to weird unpopular principles; the problem here is that the principles are incoherent and the rhetorical stance is an appeal to popularity.
DiscourseMagnus
4d ago
This is further emphasized when you notice how low-functioning people who are simultaneously hardcore Zionists and hardcore SJWs tend to be, as they're often socially oblivious enough to have wandered without noticing into a set of beliefs that's extremely unpopular in both circles of the Venn diagram it's in. Sort of a similar pathology to true TERFs, that is, those who are simultaneously hardcore feminists and hardcore anti-trans.
DiscourseMagnus
9d ago
For what it's worth, I was also under the impression that Dolly was a failure story.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
Milgram held up reasonably well too, but a lot of people mistakenly believe that it didn’t because it pattern matches well to a lot of studies that didn't, and also they're misremembering whining about how it was unethically emotionally disturbing for the subjects.
DiscourseMagnus
15d ago
To be fair, I think that kind of thing is a result of a simultaneous and toxoplasmically self-reinforcing infestation of habitual sex offenders and feminists eager to make a dubious harassment complaint.
DiscourseMagnus
20d ago
It's deeply disturbing to me that many people who care enough about this shit to have opinions on it have theory of mind on Anthropic this bad. Yes, obviously they're convinced that they're making God; they're saying it super explicitly. Many of their competitors believe they're doing the same thing and are simply more inclined to lie about it. If you start from the position "that this is all a ploy to force governments to regulate and thereby establish their dominant position over the field forever, since any competitor would no longer be able to even get the computer required", and that they'd have to get "high off their own supply" to have higher ambitions than that, then no, you have no idea what the fuck is going on.
DiscourseMagnus
23d ago
I think you're making an extremely basic mistake here by treating GOFAI as a foundational premise of AI safety in the same way that LTV was a foundational premise of Marxism. In fact, it was an optimistic premise - AI safetyists hoped beyond hope that GOFAI was the path to AI, because the way things have actually gone made the problems they described far less tractable.
DiscourseMagnus
26d ago
Of course it was a much more serious event - he actually got shot - but the golf course stalking and the storming of the correspondent's dinner (both of which happened later) also go in the category "assassination attempts". But yes, I'm saying there are others you're missing; there've been Trump assassination attempts going back to at least 2016.
DiscourseMagnus
26d ago
You needed to associate his death with weeping women.
Okay, I know what you mean there, but that was the
colorful widow in too much makeup,
it's just that the other side proceeded to vice-signal it away by reveling in it and vilifying her, what you're calling "de-martyring" him.
DiscourseMagnus
26d ago
than Trump's first assassination attempt
I doubt you mean the first one.
DiscourseMagnus
28d ago
Unrequited love / lust is a pretty common, gender neutral phenomenon that just people will experience in their lifetime,
Yeah, I've been there before, to put it mildly. My adolescence was full of strife in that department. When I was younger than Bear (okay, a lot younger than Bear - I'm mostly thinking of an incident when I was ten years old), I might well have done the same thing he did. But I'd sure like to think, at least, that if I had and it had worked, I would have woken up to the situation more quickly. That doesn't even necessarily mean committing murder or suicide - getting a priest would be a decent start. At the very fucking least don't phone up the wish company and attempt to haggle your way into getting a nicer demon.
DiscourseMagnus
29d ago
I agree that he blundered his way into an extremely fucked situation and that (contra the director's statements) the One Wish Willow company bears more responsibility than he does. But he still basically impulsively asked the devil to help him rape his crush and then spent most of the movie feigning ignorance about it. Medieval peasants would have an easy time condemning him for witchcraft and I think they would actually be 100% justified in doing so. I don't think the line of thought "it is so absurd to think that the One Wish Willow is real that I have no responsibility to consider that any anomalous events might be the result of it working" can coherently coexist with Bear's decision to use it in a private emotional fit in the first place. If it's real enough to make a wish on it's real enough to keep a fucking eye on.
DiscourseMagnus
29d ago
I don't think you need to be a feminist at all to see Bear as the villain of the movie and it's deeply disturbing to me how popular Bear-sympathetic interpretations have gotten. I want to say it's feminist-driven negative polarization.
DiscourseMagnus
30d ago
Democrats left and right are deleting all their fervent, avowed support for the man. He should brazen it out. Just refuse to drop out. What are they going to do? Take the L? His party would about face again in two weeks and slut-shame the accuser, just like the double-thought away the Nazi tattoo.
I'm reminded of Jay Jones.
DiscourseMagnus
30d ago
Perhaps the deciding factor here isn't the progressive's interpretation of the white Muslim convert's racial status directly, but rather whether the progressive perceives that the broader Muslim community has accepted them as part of the in-group.
DiscourseMagnus
1mo ago
My perception is definitely that it's mostly cultural. There are severe underlying faultlines between the trans movement and the feminist movement, but most trans people still see themselves as allies to feminism, and they were trained to hate sexy stuff and hate themselves for being interested in it back when they still thought of themselves as men.
Speaking as someone in the environment I'm pretty sure the term "Karens" came from (retail), they tend to think they're enforcing an old or legacy consensus, but that consensus is essentially hallucinatory; the social fabric is in tatters and they all have fragmented personal ideas of how things are supposed to be.
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