Botond173
23hr ago
I'm guessing you're familiar with the phenomenon that were the so-called Slut Walks and what started them? This police chief is probably aware and wanted to avoid the same fate.
Botond173
23hr ago
Am I missing something here? As far as I can tell, the OP is commenting specifically on the issue of migration from sub-Saharan Africa to Europe and North America, and argues that such migration should be blocked/stopped and that such migrants should not be given ‘free stuff’ / handouts / welfare. That’s it. How does that equal promoting slavery or Jim Crow or Apartheid?
Botond173
1d ago
But the advice he did give was "avoid relationships entirely".
What else is he supposed to say in the political environment he's in? You mentioned that he made this comment on the issue of rising rates of sexual assault on women. Obviously he was expected to at least say something.
He could have also chosen to to warn women against certain behaviors. "If your man is violent, get out before it escalates" is a complete sentence with a clear call to action that fits neatly into a soundbite. If he really wanted to help women, he should have spoken of specific character traits (violence or addiction for example) that they should stay away from.
I suggest we unpack this wider issue from a culture war perspective.
In the context of the mating market and sexual politics, we often see advice getting handed out to women, especially young single women, usually by men and women that are at least ambiguous towards feminist theories, pieces of advice that are rather similar and claim to help women form happy romantic relationships:
Avoid dangerous and violent men
Don’t fall for bad boys
Don’t go clubbing in skimpy clothes late at night while getting drunk
Don’t hook up men who were not vetted by people that you trust from your social circle
Preferably avoid one-night stands completely
Dress modestly during the day and act ladylike
Smile a lot and be pleasant instead of being a standoffish cunt
Present yourself as available and show indicators of interest if you’re looking for a man
Give clear signals to men whom you’re willing to accept
And so on.
You might notice that such advice is usually met with sneering and disdain by feminist or feminist-adjacent, Blue Tribe (in other words, mainstream) middle-class single women. The simple reason is that the message that is actually coming across to them when they hear this stuff is roughly this:
Withdraw yourself from the sexual competition for the attention of the top men. Don’t even try. Don’t copy the antics of your feminist sassy riot grrrl girlfriends. In fact, don’t interact with them socially. Settle for an average boring chopped man instead and service him sexually instead. Do the sort of things with him that he likes watching on porn sites. Put up with all his icky antics. Give a chance to that icky programmer dude that keeps stalking you at the office. When rejecting a man, do it gracefully even if he’s icky as fuck.
All this stuff is just extremely revolting and nauseating to a modern woman. And I think this police chief guy knows it. This is the explanation.
Botond173
1d ago
Raising small children in apartments is relatively a huge pain in the neck though.
Botond173
1d ago
One account I read was that the US networks generally used blue for the incumbent and red for the challenger and red this became fixed as blue=Dem/red=Rep because the 2000 map became a meme during the Bush v Gore litigation.
As far as I know, marking the enemy in red and your own side in blue on maps has also been a tradition of armies.
Orange and blue are the colours Fidesz and Tisza chose for themselves.
I'm not sure about the latter, because as far as colors and politics go, blue is currently associated with one of the small and now practically defunct local leftist liberal parties. But anyway, as far as the article I linked is concerned, I thought it was a funny coincidence regarding the color blue.
Botond173
1d ago
In this case, the phrase 'to reign Israelis in' makes no grammatical sense.
Botond173
1d ago
In this case, the phrase 'to reign Israelis in' makes no grammatical sense.
Botond173
1d ago
Point taken, but the difference is that as opposed to 'could care less' and 'literally' the phrase 'to reign in' makes no grammatical sense.
On a related note, the case of lose vs loose is similar.
Botond173
1d ago
Yes, which is the same reason why people usually mean 'free rein' when they speak of 'free reign'.
Botond173
2d ago
The problem is, per Joe Kent, the Israelis needs to be “reigned in”.
I think it's "reined it" correctly.
Botond173
2d ago
The two situations are a bit different though. For one, no absolute monarch chooses to be born as such. In your example, the monarch voluntarily gives up his power, which is not the case here. The now-former Hungarian opposition has specifically been complaining for more than a decade that the current voting system hugely distorts results in favor of the party with the most votes. Unless they want to openly admit that it was all kayfabe and BS, they should vote to change the system.
Botond173
2d ago
It was specifically organized to protest the then-planned removal of General Lee's statue. I'm guessing it's maybe fair to go as far to say that current Democrats would prefer to just memory-hole the entire leftist activist wave of vandalism and removal that (mostly) targeted Confederate monuments and lasted many years, coinciding with BLM-adjacent acts of vandalism and arson. In that sense, I think you're correct.
Botond173
3d ago
To illustrate that this indeed applies to Hungary as well, I present this article on the subject which appeared two months before the election. Voting districts where the then-main opposition umbrella party, which just now had a landslide victory, positions itself as ‘center-right’ but is nevertheless supported by almost the entire local Blue Tribe and gets applauded in the US Blue Tribe media, has majority support are marked in different shades of blue (heh). Accordingly, the big blue blob in the middle of the map is the capital and the suburban/metropolitan regions and commuter towns around it.
Botond173
3d ago
This also creates a deadlock situation. Surely many voters of Tisza would prefer changing the parliamentary system that was set up by the former ruling party, as it was a big source of opposition to the latter, but if Tisza does go through with this, it’ll be an open admission that the system which facilitated their landslide victory and thus put them in a position to change it is unjust and distorted.
Botond173
4d ago
I should add that the subreddit in question has quickly become a desert with very low traffic. Apparently all the leftist who were initially present did in the end lose interest in commenting on a board where everyone present agrees with everyone else already.
Botond173
5d ago
I noticed that Scott Alexander recently published a political treatise entitled Orban Was Bad, Even Though We Don't Have A Perfect Word For His Badness which ponders the thorny question where we draw the dividing line between democracy and dictatorship. The related discussion on the SCC subreddit is available here. I don’t claim to have the answer to this dilemma but I’m fairly sure Orban’s perceived badness in the eyes of his Western critics is almost entirely the result of the triggering factor that is his overt anti-wokeness. Without this there would be scarce incentive to even notice his actions.
The reason, I think, is that anti-wokeness is normally a fringe political phenomenon even in Central Eastern Europe (or the European former satellite states of the USSR). Anti-woke politicians do exists but they are, again, normally fringe and insignificant.
I’d quote observations from two commenters in the Reddit thread:
Orban was a culture war pioneer and very influential culture warrior. He wrote the playbook that Trump and his allies used, the anti-immigration stuff, the anti-woke stuff, etc. He funded think tanks across the world to spread the far-right populist propaganda. He spoke at CPAC and encouraged a right-wing takeover of the media.
Orbán imported all of his anti-woke ideology from the US. (It didn't really work because woke isn't really a thing in Hungary.) He did volume-boost anti-immigration somewhat (he took most ideas from the European far right, but he was the first mainstream leader to embrace them), it was mostly kayfabe though. The only thing he seems to have true convictions on is allying with Russia rather than the West (which isn't really popular even in postliberal circles).
Hungary is basically playing the same role for postliberalism as Venezuela for socialism: the country is going to shit, opponents like to point that out, and proponents feel compelled to defend it and pretend everything is peachy because otherwise they'd have to admit that every single attempt to make postliberalism the governing ideology ended detrimentally. (Plus there's the extra layer of attention he was able to get by abusing the EU's generous and somewhat naive veto/consensus rules.)
Botond173
5d ago
Back when the Chapo Trap House subreddit still existed, they'd practically never shut up about "MAGA chuds" = overtly anti-feminist male commenters anywhere, basically.
Botond173
7d ago
Focusing on anime is missing the point, I think. As far as I can tell, you're right, strictly speaking - I'm also not aware of a single school shooter known to be obsessed with anime. But if you substitute 'anime' for other types of online content that is not normie-adjacent and are addictive, then OP's point stands.
Botond173
8d ago
And this is the case in every country that is allied to the US, not just the UK.
Botond173
8d ago
I'd argue that in Hungary as well the point has been passed in society where such 'accusations' haven any political effect at all. I reckon the last time something like this happened was in 2015, in which case the individual in question did indeed turn out to be a grifter Jew.
Botond173
8d ago
It's basically what indeed happened this time. The photos in question were taken on April 16th, officially Holocaust remembrance day in Hungary, as this was the day deportations started in 1944. See here:
https://mazsihisz.hu/dr-grosz-andor-zsidok-es-nem-zsidok-egyutt-mondunk-nemet-a-gyuloletre/
Hold up. The phrase "to butter someone up" is in the dictionary and has a definition. On the other hand, "to reign the Israelis in" means "to rule Israelis in". How the heck do you rule someone in?
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