Botond173
2mo ago
Why are you saying that South Korea was 'poor' back then as compared to know, relatively speaking? I don't think it was. This was before the Asian financial crisis of 1998, when SK was considered one of the Asian tigers. I mean I'm rather confident that one could make a decent living in South Korea without a college degree back when the manufacturing sector was booming.
Botond173
2mo ago
And their parents want them to spend 4 years establishing a social circle with other college students of similar background, and to marry one of those students. Which is basically the same thing, with the diploma indeed being of secondary importance.
Botond173
2mo ago
But that's only if we exclude trade apprenticeships or 2-year technical degrees, which I'd count under "college."
Isn't that a bit far-fetched?
Botond173
2mo ago
I assume in bygone times the normal method of acquiring children's clothes was for the women in the family - especially grandmothers and spinsters - to make them by hand, and this distorts such calculations.
Botond173
2mo ago
If you fold boxes or stack shelves at Gwangyang Steel Works until you die, I'm sure you're actually less likely to be an evolutionary dead end than those of your countrymen who got into college.
Botond173
2mo ago
I agree. No human society could even exist in the first place without the ability to confer status from above. My guess is that the OP means that status in a liberal Western country cannot be sacramental - as opposed to Georgia, for example - and that it cannot stem from fertility under the current conditions.
Botond173
2mo ago
otherwise you sweep floors or fold boxes at the Gwangyang Steel Works until you die.
I know this is indeed the root of the problem, but if this is indeed the social reality, it's baffling how a society can end up with norms such as this.
Botond173
2mo ago
These studies aren't strictly about "leaders of men" but leaders and employees of current corporations in which presumably also include women to a large degree (maybe not 50% but surely close to that).
Botond173
2mo ago
It's generally true though that whenever civil wars are terminated through compromise and mutual agreement, it always entails armed groups disarming themselves, renouncing political violence and transforming into political parties, under the strict understanding that the other side will not try dissolving these parties through other means. So I think the analysis does have some legs to stand on in that respect.
Botond173
2mo ago
Why are leaders of men disproportionately physically attractive and tall (relative to the general male population, adjusting for age etc) then?
I'm not sure that this is true.
Botond173
2mo ago
It's a matter of cultural differences. In Japan, I assume you're considered a wokescold if you say that the emperor gave permission for the attack on Pearl Harbor or that the imperial dynasty has Korean roots in part or that the imperial armed forces forced Korean women to be their barrack whores or that the Korean minority is discriminated against in Japan etc. These arguments may be hugely controversial there, but are of little consequence to a Westerner, so if an exported Japanese cultural product of any sort includes them, Western consumers will not identify any of this as woke.
Botond173
2mo ago
Then the CCP figured women were having unrealistic standards for men and mandated no prettyboys in TV, and uptake has slowed accordingly.
Was this one of the measures introduced by Wang Huning?
Botond173
3mo ago
Society can't work to restore relations between men and women
Can it work to restore relations between blacks and whites though? Heterosexuals and homosexuals?
Botond173
3mo ago
This world is significantly less violent and much wealthier than the one I was born into. My kids have and had opportunities I could never have dreamed of.
This happens to be precisely the thing that is no longer true.
Botond173
3mo ago
That's not the point. Saying it to women is unpopular in normie society in general, saying it to men isn't.
Botond173
3mo ago
That's...the point, sort of, isn't it? Social pressure normally doesn't entail armed threats in most societies, and one can make the argument that most laws that are worth a damn are enforced by social pressure everywhere. It's a rather big stretch to say that Jim Crow was facilitated by racist whites having easy access to guns.
Botond173
3mo ago
My very red tribe buddy back home, who watched it and found it benignly viewable, asked me to watch it and explain what the anger is all about.
It's the result of gradual demoralization, gaslighting and the normalization of garbage. The normies are so accustomed to shitty cultural content that they don't even recognize just how shitty such shitty content actually is.
Botond173
3mo ago
I think rape laws should have differing burdens of proof for lack of consent depending on the victim’s sexual history, similar to old-style seduction laws.
I guess what you mean is that so-called rape shield laws should be repealed?
Botond173
3mo ago
Probably yes, but the question I had in mind is why certain media franchises are targeted for wokification and others aren't, and why are some so easy to wokify and others aren't. I heard the argument that the Warhammer universe has a better concept than these other two and that's why it didn't become woke, for example, although the reasons seem rather self-evident in this case.
Botond173
3mo ago
‘success as a c(h)ad’ will prejudice men positively towards such a man on other axes, symmetrically.
That's probably true - although I'm not sure about the 'symmetrically' part - but that's a different matter. Yes, the observable results of one's attractiveness to women will likely prejudice men in such ways. That doesn't mean that the traits that sexually attract women in the first place will socially attract men as followers as well.
I'm not sure where the snark related to Gundam comes from, but anyway, that's very obviously not what I had in mind. I'd say the traits that gain the respect of other men and attract them as followers are roughly:
- the ability to coordinate the efforts of a group of men for a common cause
- having executive function
- being virtuous (keeping your word, honoring your vows, being strict but fair)
- bravery
- holding your followers to the same standards
Botond173
3mo ago
If an otherwise stable, reliable guy is introverted, has little social skills and has no girlfriend/wife, he's unlikely to be embedded into your social circle to the extent that you have a mental awareness of him even existing. You'll "know" him but you won't know him.
The TFR in Singapore and South Korea are roughly equal though.
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