ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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4hr ago
American manufacturing is actually really strong
I suppose it's possible we're using a lot of American components and capital goods (if you buy as local flight in Europe, it will almost certainly be on a Boeing, from my experince), but most consumer goods seem to be Chinese.
Free trade actually benefits a lot of agriculture too.
What I'm saying is that Europe has strong tariffs against American agricultural, and our farmers regularly freak out at the prospect of lowering them.
ArjinFerman
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4hr ago
Seriously just go Walmart and look. It's not a majority of items, but there are plenty of things with the label
I'm European, never seen a Wallmart in my life, and this argument makes no sense since we are discussing tariffs.
ArjinFerman
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6hr ago
That's both not true in a meaningful sense, most of our meaningful trade partners have only limited tariffs on a small number of industries or businesses which is not anywhere near equal to large tariffs on everything and not true because the US economy is substantially stronger and better than most every other country in the world
So howcome I have never seen a "made in USA" label, and why is the local agribusiness periodically shiitting bricks at the prospect of dropping tariffs on food?
ArjinFerman
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6hr ago
Sure, but to my untrained eye the current system looks like it was used with MAD principles in mind. I don't like how it works, and why it's there, and I even think it's just a question of time before it all goes tits up, but I don't know if it's a great idea to cut random wires on a counting down detonator, before people are evacuated.
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
I'm no sure it's such a hot idea either, by the victory lap was unwarranted, imo.
ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
I'm pretty sure prototypes don't count as "it".
ArjinFerman
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9hr ago
and Musk didn't make obviously false statements about the present.
"We are building it right now" about the Roadster, or some other vehicle that never materialized, back in 2017 or so, sounds pretty false, and pretty about the present to me.
His opponents said he would blow up the global economy with tariffs.
The amount of time spent on using Trump's trade policy as the reason why he's horrible was approximately zero. Probably because it would make his opponents look schizophrenic or sociopathic.
The model "Trump is as bad as he claims to be, but the damage was limited in the first term because of GOPe moles in the administration" has an increasingly good track record of making correct predictions.
Ok bro, so are you taking that bet about Trump's third term, or not?
ArjinFerman
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15hr ago
Clearly given its popularity there actually aren't.
Clearly? Hollywood us releasing bomb after bomb in order to promote a specific message. We're not living in a world where the mist popular things get promoted, so we don't actually know this idea's relative popularity.
ArjinFerman
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15hr ago
"Subversion" feels too much like cope to me. Ok, if you could spam the feeds with AI generated clips that take the piss out of the intended message and it's authors, it might work, but deep diving into the film to try to extract a "subverted" message is accepting it's frame from the getgo. You're better off rolling your eyes and moving on.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
It has to be quite exhilarating. All your instincts telling you you're done for, only to escape death without a scratch. I could see myself getting addicted to it.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
I'll take an L on my various "they ran out of mana" takes, clearly if they can make a goofy propaganda flic, and get so much buzz going around it, they still got something left in the tank.
Why anyone here would want to give even more energy to it is beyond me, though.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
To that I'll add my confusion about "we can't just send him back to a country with a 'shady' human rights record!" arguments. If his argument for being allowed to stay in the US was "I'm being threatened by gangs", isn't that problem largely taken care of by now?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
So, if his application got rejected for this reason, that's pretty dumb, but not quite the same thing as grabbing a dude who went in legally, was accepted, and then got deported.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Others already pointed out how none of the insights you credit Rationalists with are unique to them, nor were they the first ones, so I'll skip over that.
You'll find that members of the Rationalist community are more likely to share said beliefs than the average population.
This is only true to the extent that their primary goal is not letting anyone else have the AI-god. Their preferred outcome is still for AI to exist, they just want it to be 100% under control of people with Rationalist values. So while there exists a set of circumstances where I might end up allying with them, their actual goals are one of my nightmare scenarios, and I'm much more aligned with the average population on this issue.
Anyone who does really well in a consistent manner is being rational in a way that matters.
But they're not (necessarily) being Rationalist, or following Enlightenment principles.
The precise phrase "irreconcilable values difference" is a Rationalist one
I'm pretty sure that the first time I heard it, I was but wee little lad playing with my toys in the living room, overhearing what my parents were watching on the TV, and some talking heads dropping the phrase in the context of divorce. I doubt they got it from Rationalists.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I was under the impression that you're just using him as a reference to put forward your views. If that's not the case, and you want me to have a "conversation" with Greer with you as a proxy, I have to say I don't quite see the point.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
In most civilized countries, "if you deport me I will face a lengthy prison sentence without a court trial which would vaguely meet Western standards" would be reason enough to grant asylum.
And the consequence of that is that we're letting pedophiles and repists stay, and that's not civilized in my book.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Did he get kicked out after being admitted, or was his claim processed and rejected?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
So I see "dadmaxxing" and think "that's hecking wholesome", and then I read the rest of the comment, what a ride. Hang in there, bro.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
You believe that the Rationalist movement is an "utter failure", when it has spawned the corporations busy making God out of silicon.
I don't follow the AI developments terribly closely, and I'm probably missing a few IQ points to be able to read all the latest papers on the subjects like Dase does, so I could be misremembering / misunderstanding something, but from what I heard capital 'R' Rationalism has had very little to do with it, beyond maybe inspiring some of the actual researchers and business leaders.
Yud had a whole institute devoted to studying AI, and he came up with nothing practical. From what I heard, the way the current batch of AIs work has nothing to do it with what he was predicting, he just went "ah yes, this is exactly what I've been talking about all these years" after the fact.
As for building god, I think I heard that story before, and I believe it's proper ending involves striking the GPU cluster with a warhammer, followed by several strikes with a shortsword. Memes aside, it's a horrible idea, and if it's successful it will inevitably be used to enslave us.
In any case when I bring up rationalism's failure, I usually mean it's broader promises of transcending tribalism, systematized winning, raising the sanity waterline, and making sense of the world. In all of these, it has failed utterly.
It's impossible for me to express the true extent of my disdain for Hlynkaism, as practised by Hlynka, without violating the rules of this forum
It makes sense, because my feelings toward rationalism and transhumanism are quite similar. Irreconcilable value differences are irreconcilable, though funnily enough mist transhumanists, yourself included, seem like decent blokes.
At any rate, he achieved the rather remarkable feat of getting his own friends on the mod team sufficiently fed up with his antics to perma-ban him.
Yeah, that ban was pretty much at his own request. Wish it wasn't permanent though.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Finally back on my feet!
Most of the incremental changes I was talking about in the past weeks were about crawling websites. I suppose it makes sense, but I was surprised how many anti-bot measures there are, and then even more surprised how many of them you can make go away, if you just say "bro, I'm just using CURL, can you please let me something about your website".
Last week I was working on navigating through Twitter, so loading older tweets from a profile, and loading replies to a selected Tweet. Went pretty smooth and I think I should be able to start working on the UI soon, which is when I'll finally be able to show something off.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
The bantu populations were already in South Africa, just not in the western half.
"Just"? If you paste South Africa into Europe it stretches from Estonia to the western border of Germany and Austria
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
This is just about recognizing the distinctions between different ideologies that are in fact distinct. It’s not about anything else.
If it makes it any better, I'll grant that the way Hlynka himself was phrasing his thesis wasn't quite bulletproof, but what Hlynkaists try to argue is that he's not crazy, and is pointing at something real. I get that the idea that the KKK is in thrall to Rousseau might be a bit of a tall order, but I think it's possible to argue (and that others have already made good arguments to that effect), that they and the Woke both an identifiable root cause pinnable to the Enlightenment or thereabouts.
Yeah, and I think this is a necessary condition for the argument to even be relevant.
If he's saying "allied countries put tariffs on only a handful of industries", but I haven't seen any American products, that would imply the industries that are targeted are precisely the ones that are competitive, making the "handful" argument moot.
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