ArjinFerman
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It's reactionary in the sense that, as harold says, Roddenberry himself (and probably most of the show writers) still had a positive view generally of democracy, law and order, American military power, and the military in general. But they assumed we'd continue down the progressive path on race relations, gender relations, abolishing inequality, etc.
It's a lot deeper then that. It's reactionary in the sense that it has respect for the limits nature places on humanity, that borders on religious, even if they're all superficially secular. They have the ability to rewrite DNA on the fly, hack into the nervous system, support lifestyles of endless hedonism and debauchery... and they never take the bait. If they used the technology they had to it's full potential (and/or in the service of self-actualization rather than higher ideals, as following progressivism would imply) the average episode would end up being a mashup between Black Mirror and The Garden Of Earthly Delights.
Well yes, my point is that the current woke movement is a rejection of the optimistic liberalism of the 60s. That wokeness is in fact very illiberal is not a new observation.
Then what was the point of mentioning it's relative "wokeness" in the 60's? You made it sound like there's something ironic about people bemoaning Current Year's Star Trek making a far-left turn.
ArjinFerman
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20d ago
It's ironic that you resent the latest Star Trek shows being unrelentlessly grimdark, which is true, because Star Trek was originally a very optimistic view of the future, but as @haroldbkny says above, that was largely a progressive worldview.
Meh. It was also pretty reactionary. I'll even say most of it's optimism comes from rejecting progress.
Gene Roddenberry was extremely liberal and very much "woke" by 60s standards
So what? Things are what they are, not the direction and velocity with which they are moving. Woke progressives have no claim on Star Trek, whichis proven by them having to adjust it to fit their ideology, and breaking it in the process.
ArjinFerman
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20d ago
Because western elites themselves are an enemy of the west / Europe / America. All you can do is pick your poison.
ArjinFerman
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20d ago
The fact that many states don't take these basic actions is sort of a wink-wink-nudge-nudge, "there's no fraud, but also we're going to make it incredibly easy to do fraud"
I found this incredibly frustrating in all the discussions on the topic. I get "look, we can't overturn the elections on the basis of your sayso", but the lack of acknowledgement of the sad state of American election integrity was driving me bonkers.
ArjinFerman
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21d ago
The crux is that sex and license-sex only mismatch when the subject is trans. Therefore, anything that only penalizes such a mismatch is unlawful discrimination.
Giggle was not penalizing the mismatch. A trans man would be welcomed with open arms.
ArjinFerman
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21d ago
I'm not planning to do it myself, but "I'm not a trans woman, I'm a man wearing a perfectly egalitarian dress. Don't assume my gender. " would at least be an interesting wrench to throw into the debate.
It's already been done. The shitstorm was pretty funny.
ArjinFerman
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21d ago
I don't think the law let's you draw a distinction between "sex" and "drivers-license-sex". And why would "drivers-license-sex" create an obligation for a SocMed app, but not for medical services?
Firstly because I noticed that my system for visualizing distant bodies using forced projection failed to account for a million things and was utter lunacy in retrospect (but I was too much of a happy amateur in just trying things out to foresee this),
Heh, I think that's where I tapped out of my orbital mechanics project as well. Seeing Jupiter eat one of the moons that was supposed to fly in front of it was a bit too much.
I might make the repo for what I do with Unreal public since that will, by necessity from the difference in programming language, be a clean break and hopefully better-organized.
I'll try not to pester you too much about it, but I jusr want to say, I wouldn't worry about how well organized it is, or what others would say. The point of all this is to have some fun.
ArjinFerman
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21d ago
I thought we were calling it 'the "Alex Jones was right" jar'.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
At this point I have to wonder what could possibly be written there, that they are so defensive about it. If Trump's shooting got effectively moved on from like nothing ever happened, so can this manifesto.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
I'm pretty angry about it too, for the record.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
And you can't actually see most of that because the visualization is too lazily done.
That's a shame, but I understand. There's only so much work I'm willing to put into visualization as well (though I sometimes found it to be a more effective way of debugging).
Even if this stuff is "baby-tier" I'd again encourage you to push it to some repo, or at least go into the details of what you're making, like you did above. Stuff like this scratches my autism itch real good, and it's really enjoyable to read / watch / try out the code for myself.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
Obtaining legal sanction—as Tickle apparently did—is a strictly higher bar than checking a box on the app.
How is checking a box on a form for a new government ID a higher bar to clear than checking a box on an app?
In this thread: “I can’t believe systems accept government ID!”
Also in this thread: “I can’t believe systems accept self-ID!”
What's so hard to understand about "'man' and 'woman' are words describing material reality, and not someone internal sense of identity, and that's the definition the government should be using when applying their laws"?
Industrial processes work best with other industrial processes, so I guess it's a race to industrialize that biology as we have various other forms of organic production. I'm not saying I'm a fan, but it's weird for a community as virtualized, urban and seemingly techno-optimist as the Motte to come down so hard in favor of artisanal methods in this single area.
You may be mischaracterizing the Motte as a community, but even if you're right on average, you've run into the resident unironic Luddite.
I don't think you answered my question though, I still don't see any specific upside that, one can point to, to society as a whole treating everybody as though they are interchangeable. Definitely nothing that can counter the downsides of interchangeability that I mentioned.
I'm aware of the "industrialist" arguments for standardization, but the retort is simply that you're driving a square beg into a round hole, and breaking all sorts of things in the process.
Once men deliberately technologize themselves out of the hard-labor-and-physical-defense game, to which their biology is naturally suited, it becomes much easier for women to look at their desk-jockey vidya-playing husbands and brothers and ask why they get to demand so much and give so little in return.
Last I checked, men still tend to be the ones supporting the households, so that question seems to be misplaced. And you seem to be simply confirming what I said - interchangeability does not enhance liberalism, it drives it's extinction.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
The "genderist argument" is that these differences are a result of socialization, and that the appeal to nature is a fallacy.
says virtually nothing one way or another about the optimum extent to which a well-run society should embrace, enforce or renounce differential treatment of individuals by sex
I agree, but that seems irrelevant to the discussion.
Here you go. Turns out I misremembered it, and they guy still hangs on to the sex/gender distinction, but also insists the way these obscure tribes understand it does not match how the activists are potraying it:
- Can you just share your opinion on like this attempt to blur the boundary between male and female that you see happening specifically in in the western context?
- I think there's an enormous amount of confusion about sex, what is sex, what is gender, and the two get mixed up and mashed up and the conversations very very very quickly become completely unproductive. You know in my class (...) we start off by talking about what is objectivity what, is subjectivity, what is inner subjectivity, what is sex what is gender... um so i i start the class off by really clearly defining these terms, and so i think i think an enormous amount of the confusion is just because what do people mean by sex, what do people mean by gender, and when they mean different things, or when you have two people in a dialogue, and they're using these terms differently, it just goes nowhere almost immediately.
And i as far as using Fa’fafine for example to blur the distinction between male and female sex categories i would say that that is a western project because the Fa’fafine have no doubt whatsoever what their sex is. The muxe [the Zapotec tribe's "third gender"] have no doubt whatsoever what their sex is. They know they're not... they know what their gender is... they know they're not men, and they know they're not women, but if you ask them are you... in terms of your body, are you male or female, they're like yeah... they might not say the word "male", but they're like, yeah... i'm i'm a man, i'm male... So I remember interviewing one... I mean this is how nonsensical things become, when you start translating some of this stuff into a field setting, in a non-western culture... so I remember being in southern Mexico and asking a muxe "you know, are you male or female... you know, do you have a penis or a vulva?" and she looked at me like and she actually said "are you stupid?"
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
Moreover, liberal modernity certainly works much better with fully interchangeable workers/citizens;
I don't know about that. Ever since we bet on interchangeability of men and women, we can't seem to reproduce ourselves and have to make up for the shortfall by importing people from more fertile parts of the world, hoping that interchangeability works out this time.
What's the upside it's supposed to have brought us?
and runaway gender-performance competition (like the kind the US saw in the 50s, or arguably is seeing today)
If we saw it in the 50's and we're seeing it today, I have to ask if the term has any meaning.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
The problem is that the source is a bit of a pain in the ass to cite. It was an interview with Paul L. Vasey, who originally documented the "third gender" phenomenon, and got frustrated with the way his research is brought up by trans activists. Somewhere in this or this podcast, he drops the anecdote. I can give them a relisten and ping you when I have the timestamp if you want, though I also recommend just listening to the whole thing, they're good interviews.
Historically, the distinction was "gender"= social norms for manhood and womanhood, while "sex"= biological X/Y/ gamete status. A child raised in a distant lab by sexless robot aliens, with absolutely no conception of human society, might not have a "gender"; but they would still have a "sex."
I don't think that's accurate. There were different social roles and expectations for men and women, but no one referred to them using words "man" and "woman", nor were the words "male" and "female" used in any sort of contrast to "man" and woman", nor was there any sort of confusion if taking on a different role would make you a different "gender" (an anthropologist asking one of the famed "third gender" tribesmen if they consider themselves something other than a man, and hearing "are you retarded?" in response, is a thing that actually happened in real life).
That version of gender did have real uses as a rhetorical countermove against the sex-determinist appeal-to-nature fallacy
Ironically it turned out that it was far less fallacious than the genderist argument. For all the attempts at "gender neutral upbringing" girls still tend to zero-in on girlie princess stuff, and boys on trucks and whatnot. Despite "Sorry Jill, I can't offer you the same salary as Bob" being cancellable and outright illegal, women still earn less money than men, etc.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
and usually just to the point of "I can see where this is going" rather than any state fit for publication.
I get that, I had a whole bunch of projects like that too, but I wouldn't dismiss the usefulness for other people. For example:
toy simulations for my own edification, concerning geology, meteorology, orbital mechanics etc
Bro, post pics at least. I also played with orbital mechanics so I know how that one goes, but what can you even do with geology? You made some some earthquake simulator or something? Weather simulation is more obvious, but then I kinda want to know how much you can simulate with what kind of code.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
I suspect that a lot of these benefits in practice are only afforded to biological females and to males who make enough effort to signal that they are serious about their gender identity.
Click the other link (about hacking the gender violence laws), it's working so far, or at least is giving them enough trouble that they have to go along with it for now. Also:
"There can be no fraud in the law, since the law is based on self-perception and contains no requirements. Those who question the gender condition I claim should be careful. We've already filed a complaint for transphobia against the National Federation of Gays, Lesbians and Trans, a woke association that criticizes us for not changing our appearance," explained, with the utmost seriousness, David Peralta, a 37-year-old Madrid "policewoman," secretary and co-founder of the Non-Normative Trans Association, to which most of Ceuta's policemen-turned-policewomen belong.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Someone please ping me next week to request a progress update, however meager. Peer pressure always works on me.
Will be happy to. Anything specific you're planning to do?
Never gave Unreal a go so I can't offer much in terms of advice / reviews, but feel free to ping me if you want either.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Well, these are different countries we're talking about, so I don't know if talking about sequences of events here makes much sense.
But to answer your question - it's a basic sales tactic to get someone to agree to something small so they'll agree to something big, so assuming things would happen in this particular sequence seems like a pretty safe bet. Though I guess you'll also find exceptions.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Tell me, why am I supposed to relitigate a conversation Hlynka had?
As it turns out aquota and Nybbler provided an explanation that squares the circle. There were several years were inflation was pretty high, and conversations around it assume that wages will follow prices, so if the speed of the increase of prices drops to something manageable, the problem will solve itself. It turns out that this assumption is sometimes wrong, and people are now upset their wages never caught up, and prices never fell.
Or, you can keep telling me how the whole thing is somehow a partisan-bias-fueled psy-op, even though more than half of Democrats believe in it too.
For all the condemnation of "safetyism" I swear we have the highest concentration of safetyists I have ever seen anywhere.
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