hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
4hr ago
I imagine that depends on what kind of lab grown meat you’re talking about. Ground beef grown in a vat is obviously of much more comparable quality to the real deal than filet mignon.
hydroacetylene
9hr ago
I am well placed enough in my IRL tradcath community to know at least a few details on every couple marrying this year. 50%+1 were introduced by their siblings(this group grew up in the community, by and large, and so large families plus teenagers with lots of free time[because homeschooling] and young adults who don’t move out of their parents house as soon as they can afford to). Subtract online dating and there’s not a lot of possible room for meeting organically left- and elders of the community think this number of marriages is too low.
Ironically one of the bigger challenges is getting Sally to show up for that church dance, although tradcaths put enough effort into stopping teenaged Joseph and Maria from having a relationship that grown-up Joseph is also probably in for an awkward start to pursuing the girl who does show up at the church dance anyways just from aftereffects. Everyone has a different solution and that solution is always one which doesn’t entail that particular person to make any changes.
In the francophone world I believe the problem has been solved by a strong, formal expectation that eligible young adults not seeking the religious life attend the parish young adult group. This expectation has, for whatever reason, not made it to Anglosphere trads- partly due to the extended nature of Anglosphere adolescences I suspect, but there’s probably other reasons.
hydroacetylene
10hr ago
I would hope she’s at least smart enough to know random male hikers are less likely to be a threat than random bears, even if she doesn’t ‘know how to use this asset properly’.
hydroacetylene
13hr ago
Another Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey got released in March too.
hydroacetylene
13hr ago
Actual longhouse societies don’t look like that; men sit around gambling and using substances all day while everyone lives off of the women’s gardening in a mud hut.
hydroacetylene
13hr ago
On Zulu/Xhosa tribalism- which faction headlines the ANC? Is the general public of the opinion that Zuma’s faction leaving puts the Xhosa nostra firmly in the driver’s seat?
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Presumably, these are liberal women engaging in signaling by choosing the bear. I believe in real life, that is not the decision that would be made.
I propose a live experiment; put a lumberjack with his chainsaw on one end of a path in the woods, and a grizzly bear on the other. Put a woman halfway in between and see which way she runs. Run the experiment 1,000 times and I predict more than 900 of those times, she’ll pick the lumberjack.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
So there’s corrupt, banal and incompetent, reasonable but unpopular, and crazy and evil as the three basic blocs.
It sounds like the ANC can caucus with the EFF/MK if they have to; can they caucus with the DA and friends?
And regarding cape independence, I’d be interested in hearing from people with specific knowledge- how much of it is just people with whatever agenda hitching it to complaints about poor national level governance? Texas nationalism is basically that- people with some not-gonna-happen agenda(goldbugs, Russophiles, etc) convince themselves that Texas independence would be their best shot at implementing their agenda, and generate interest off of the fact that everyone in Texas except partisan democrats thinks the state can govern itself better than the feds can. In South Africa’s case one can easily see the same process going on.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I think the question becomes why has the gender war not turned hot in Japan, which has similar economic factors?
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Exactly- SK has regionally-normal fertility, Japan and probably North Korea are high TFR outliers for the region.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Some of that is organic follow-the-leader, though. Important and influential activist posts thing, everyone else does too.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
There have always been popular white people, and vaguely well-known people who can be funny and charismatic sometimes rise unusually fast. The prosaic explanation is the best one, and I’m enjoying the opportunity to refer to Taylor swift as ‘Travis Kelce’s girlfriend’ with the explanation that football is more important.
No, it is not, although the most moderate individual priests are probably with the FSSP. In general the FSSP has the biggest tent out of the major traditionalist groups while the others have tighter control over individual representatives, but the ‘typical’ FSSP line will be a bit more socially and sometimes liturgically conservative than other English-speaking traditionalists, although the SSPX probably does more purity testing. Conservative, top-down organizations with a history of purging their ultra conservative wing(in fairness, usually for genuine bad behavior) do not tolerate unapproved right wing radicalism very well.
Of course a slim plurality of the IRL tradcath world is French-speaking, and rules of thumb like that could easily be different across a language barrier.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
The real issue with the tradcath marriage market is the missing step A- the social technology to force young people to take budding relationships very seriously and either call them off or get engaged in a quick timeframe is there. It works. It’s just, well, that requires a step A to get there and tradcath communities are extremely bad at that step A. I have yet to see a workable solution actually get implemented and it’s not as if there’s a single top down authority to make people adopt one.
It doesn’t seem like there’s an epidemic of bad marriages or whatever, tradcaths expect to have to make sacrifices to have a marriage work out and a preexisting framework for deciding who sacrifices what. That may not be perfectly fair, but it’s highly workable and intuitive.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Oh, paying the bills for southern Louisiana- albeit a not-as-nice as current southern Louisiana- makes strategic sense for an independent Texas, because the mouth of the Mississippi is very important. The place is basically run by engineers from A&M anyways and cutting the local elites down to scale is pretty doable and cuts admin costs drastically by reducing corruption.
But Texas accepting responsibility for the fiscal health of everything in the south that has to be subsidized seems unlikely. And while Florida, Georgia, North Carolina might be able to pay their own way, on a fiscal basis they’re not there to subsidize others.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
I would expect enrollment at small Catholic colleges
They’re bankrupt and trads are scared of student loans. Right now the trend is against small Catholic colleges, who are shifting towards charismatic Catholics to make up for it.
Figuring out how to make adolescents bridge over into adulthood and the broken marriage market are top 5 problems in the tradcath world. These are not totally unrelated problems, obviously. But this isn’t Orthodox Judaism or Mormonism here where the community is astonishingly well run on a temporal level even if it’s not to everyone’s taste.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Korea doesn’t have the lowest fertility rate anywhere in the world right now, though, does it? I think Hong Kong and Macau at least are lower, and maybe Taiwan as well. And while SK is lower than the PRC, it’s not massively lower. Really east Asia just has really low fertility to the point where Japan is an outlier high TFR nation.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
In America you’re totally allowed to rent, and if you have a plausible story and one set of parents is willing you can live with them- my parents lived with dad’s family at first.
And there are plenty of societies(eg Albania) where owning your own home before marriage would be seen as highly unusual or possibly suspect. They’re not societies most people want to live in, but neither is Korea.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
That scenario isn’t really in the cards. Even an actual and not just threatened Texas secession probably doesn’t want to bring the south with it- Texas doesn’t want to be Germany and the Netherlands combined for a neocofederate EU. The rest of the south is largely nonproductive before the breakup of the hegemon causes a financial crash.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Actual successful secession would result in, more than likely, the collapse of U.S. hegemony because losing a major core province is a pretty big failure and whatever you can say about China’s weaknesses, they’re not about to face that problem.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
Nullification itself is what is so good for Abbott politically; telling the federal government to beat it makes him look strong and that makes people rally around the flag. His actual culture war policies are a bit more popular in Texas than nationally, but not my that much.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
As an actual IRL tradcath my understanding is that WELS, ROCOR Orthodox, and certain greek-catholic groups whose membership often overlaps with latin-mass groups anyways are the closest sociological analogues to traditional Catholicism(which is growing and does have staying power even if it's overstated). Maybe add Opus Dei too if you count them as a group. At @2rafa 's point about a possible inherent leftward drift- the SSPX is by far the oldest major tradcath group and also tends to be the most moderate on hot-button issues, despite having an uberconservative reputation, with the SSPX supporting things like old-earth instead of young-earth creation, knuckle under and get the covid vax if you have truly no other option, accepting longer periods of dating before marriage, etc. Now that could also just be because of having relatively fewer Americans in top positions making it less firmly red-tribe aligned, also, it's not inherently less conservative to believe you should get the covid vaccine if your employer won't accept any religious exemptions or that the earth might be as much as 30,000 years old.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
Monkeys are routinely trained to work. They're used to pick coconuts in Thailand and I think a few other crops in more isolated instances, but they tend to be awful thieves and like to attack people as far as I know.
Agricultural labor- particularly fruit picking- also has a large amount of seasonal variation and most farmers prefer the flexibility of questionably-legal migrant labor to having to feed hundreds of mischievous and herpes ridden primates that get animal welfare folks all up in your business.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
And in that way, it's really no different than the Vietnam protesters who shared the same elite characteristics. As early as 1966 Normal Mailer noted how the protestors were upper class while the policemen they fought were working class.
Indeed, actual working class protestors around the Vietnam war were sometimes allowed by the police to rough up the hippies far worse than the cops ever would.
Yes, I’d definitely gotten the impression of apartheid being a corrupt mess running off of cheap labor and limited central control of the state apparatus, which didn’t work as well as it’s thought to have. It’s nice to have that confirmed.
What I’d never heard was the description of it as being fundamentally bureaucratically arbitrary; most people who described living under the system- including one who was half Lebanese and I would have expected to suffer from bureaucratic probes into his racial classification- described the oppressive aspects as being aimed at other people- either blacks or dissident whites who couldn’t keep their heads down. I’m totally willing to believe it could be a problem for some people, though.
And BTW ‘Japanese are white but Chinese are colored’ and ‘Muslims are colored unless they’re Turks’ just seem like common sense to me, although I suppose that’s not the extent of racial arbitrariness.
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