hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
4hr ago
Wiki lists 600,000, and that seems to be a reasonable middle of the road estimate. It’s possible that this is a large overcount, but not by a factor of 60- thé arguments that they’re far smaller than that tend to cluster around 100-200 thousand, not 10k. They have individual Sunday congregations getting quite close to that number.
hydroacetylene
4hr ago
Leo could have simply authorized the consecrations in the first place and avoided the problem
No, he could not have. Bishops are bishops of dioceses and are consecrated as part of their appointment to a specific job. The job they are being appointed to doesn’t, officially, exist. Bishops are not just sacrament machines.
The ‘they’re not being appointed to a job’ is both the SSPX’s main defense against schism and thé reason these consecrations would never be authorized.
The Vatican’s preference was, from a well placed trad perspective, to wait for Bp Galaretta to die, then watch while Bp Fellay pushes the rest of the SSPX into accepting a deal(before the consecrations Fellay led the pro-regularization faction in thé SSPX and Galaretta was affiliated with the anti, and this is likely why Galaretta was the principal consecrator. Fellay on his lonesome was very very unlikely to agree to additional consecrations without permission), and creating some sort of job necessitating a bishop would probably have been part of that deal.
hydroacetylene
4hr ago
Isn’t declining spermcounts mostly just the shift away from boxers as default?
hydroacetylene
4hr ago
Thé SSPX would tear itself to shreds and then die out before it got to that. They’re already walking a tightrope on being conservative enough to prevent an exodus from their own right wing hardliners and near associates; Williamson’s band of merry men is not something that they are eager to repeat(even if they did just consecrate Fr Goldade a bishop). Liberalizing churches also tend to go downhill very fast in this world. Add them up, and we might see some sort of tiny old calendarist equivalent jurisdiction, we might see them crack apart, we might see some sort of ROCOR equivalent where they merge into regular structures in such a way that allows them to have bishops, but we are very unlikely to see an old Catholic equivalent.
It’s helpful to look at the history; old Catholics did originate with a handful of individuals who disagreed with papal infallibility, one of whom was a bishop. But it grew mostly not by recruiting likeminded individuals but rather by convincing people who wanted to start their own Catholic Church for other reasons of their position. Most old Catholics are descended from essentially mercenary projects- even if it was often unrelated political reasons rather than straight money that motivated them. The SSPX does not have mercenary origins. It continues to deny Mel Gibson communion for adultery despite his fame and large donations. It does not endorse whatever is fashionable on the political right(much to the chagrin of some members), and only cooperates with secular politics when it thinks it needs something.
hydroacetylene
4hr ago
The lay faithful are only excommunicated if they adhere formally to the schism, which the Vatican defines in a 1996 note(cited in the current decree of excommunication) as referring to those who only attend SSPX masses.
hydroacetylene
4hr ago
The mainstream estimate for the SSPX’s numbers is between a half a million and a million(arguments that this is an overestimate are far more plausible than underestimate arguments). This is bigger than several of the eastern churches considered near-peer by Rome, notably the Church of the East.
hydroacetylene
5hr ago
There are cardinals in the Catholic Church right now calling for stricter migration laws into the west. This is very much not an off limits thing.
hydroacetylene
5hr ago
The samaritans were heretics. Thé SSPX is schismatic(getting excommunicated for heresy would require something like denying the divinity of Christ) at the moment, but they weren’t for the better part of two decades ending on, literally, this Tuesday.
It is worth noting that their specific crime, electing bishops vagrans, is collapsed into a general crime of ‘consecrating bishops without mandate from the pope’ under the current code of canon law, but would be viewed as very bad behavior in the other apostolic churches as well, even if ‘schism’ isn’t really the right term for it(although as a legal category, thats where it goes).
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
In practice, this would be a ban on abortion while otherwise letting the normal government operate as it pleases.
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
There is, in practice, one doctrine which some trad-Caths believe which is condemned by Rome, and that is Jewish deicide theory. On the institutional level even the SSPX claims to hold to this condemnation; but there are occasional and visible trads who do not.
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
Women do not have a base instinct towards promiscuity. They have a drive to be in a sexual relationship, which often sometimes gets exploited into promiscuity. But you are also, I suspect, just basing this off the most promiscuous 10% of the population.
hydroacetylene
8hr ago
Indeed, ‘wise phones’ which only do calls/emails/music/maps and a limited number of apps exist, and the people with them do not scroll.
hydroacetylene
10hr ago
Liechtenstein and Andorra(and Vatican City, of course). Neither of these are democracies and the actual imposition by the Catholic Church is to do with abortion policy, not immigration.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
~all institutional churches have done this.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Ah, yes, a nonpracticing Jew blaming the ethnoreligious background of officials for a ruling which is, essentially, a literal restatement of existing law.
I see no reason this could backfire, none at all. Even leaving aside that is is unlikely Thomas and Alito are less religious than kavanaugh and Roberts, that 100% of the votes to hold that birthright citizenship was not guaranteed by the constitution were Catholic, and that the few remaining countries where the Catholic Church has actual political power do not have open borders. Such things wouldn’t stop antisemites, after all.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Negro isn’t that offensive. It just sounds old.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Also some centraco dialects use usted for everyone.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I have encountered a single case of native polyglots- and it was English/spanish/portuguese, which hardly counts.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
They’re already majority euro by ancestry, and are intermarrying at high rates- it’s unlikely that ‘Mexican Americans’ will be genetically distinctive in 100 years.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Susan Collins always polls behind a democrat at this point in an election cycle, I wouldn’t read too much into that democrat being graham platner.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Not a lot of non-European Latinos in power in Latin America either.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Latinos are pretty likely to just be tan white people in another generation or two, they’re already assimilating and they want to be white.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Gay sex is different from straight sex, so it’s not a double standard at all- just bad values.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Yes, if the west decided to sanction Israël then it would go under- and the Palestinians would behead everyone who didn’t manage to flee in time. But if the US merely decided it was no longer selling Israël weapons on relatively favorable terms, Israël would buy the arms needed from France or Russia and take over the suez.
They had 15,000 people at econe- and their members tend to be the poorer traditionalists, so the portion of population which can travel to Switzerland is rather lower than the FSSP’s- which points to a fairly large organization, so I don’t agree with a low count, but the lowest number anyone cites while sober is 100k.
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