hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
39m ago
Housewives, especially with children, are doing valuable and productive work which simply doesn't contribute to corporate bottom lines. They're doing less of it than they did in the past, but men also work fewer hours(six twelves was literally considered a desirable schedule at one point!).
hydroacetylene
42m ago
You could live in a trailer- much cheaper than a single family house. Or you could live in not California or the NYC metro area. Kansas City isn't the end of the world. The majority of the country doesn't have $2 million dollar starter homes by any metric.
hydroacetylene
45m ago
It's called the CLEP exam. You can take a CLEP test at any community college to test out of the course and then transfer it to a public university(which the majority of students attend).
hydroacetylene
47m ago
Uh, this is senoritas just not eating enough when they're still trying to land a husband. Not 'healthy' food, which isn't going to be a big selling point for a potential husband anyways(no, your tradwife fantasy doesn't entail coming home to a nice kale salad either). Of course they stop the crash dieting when the mission is accomplished- nobody likes it.
hydroacetylene
48m ago
Fair, but also women care less about men's looks than men do about women's. Might I suggest 'funny' would be a better adjective?
hydroacetylene
51m ago
So a couple of things to bear in mind about the fifties in this discussion:
-Upper class women before the long fifties did not scrub their own baseboards. Upper class women after the long fifties do not scrub their own baseboards. Upper class women during the long fifties, scrubbed their own baseboards. The historical aberration of 'everyone except the true societal elites has housewives who do their own housework, including the stuff that really sucks' was a historical aberration, and upper class women were not used to scrubbing toilets and ironing underwear(yes, fifties undies needed to be ironed). Upper class women were also the ones that launched second wave feminism.
-Fifties women were the happiest women, on average, since data became reliable. This isn't all self reports either- everything correlates.
-Women today still choose to cut their standard of living by working less when they are securely and happily married, and this is such a trend that it shows up in national level economic data.
-Sixties/seventies feminists had a number of hard cases that wouldn't happen today to use to make their point. Poor enforcement of domestic violence laws, much higher male alcoholism rates, a generally poorer society, and difficult divorce meant that there were more women trapped in bad situations. And a highly mobile society with shitty communications technology meant that women were also more likely to get into bad situations. Feminism tends to fall back on hard cases to make its point.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
You had to memorize the periodic table? We had to learn how to use it, what the rows and columns meant(not that I remembered), that sort of stuff. But it was about learning to use a reference and not about memorizing the reference, that would obviate the point of having a reference.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Indeed, both sexes are in practice willing to reduce their standard of living for happier family life.
We should stop the propaganda campaign telling young people that's impossible.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
IIRC conservative gender roles are measured by how many women work traditionally male jobs, not by female workforce participation- because female workforce participation is often initially driven by poverty, market penetration, etc. as much as feminism. 'Excluding women from certain lines of work' appears to be the sine qua non of conservative gender roles.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
I've seen women start in the trades. Bosses discriminate, but not enough to actually stop them.
Heterosexual women invariably need fewer, more predictable hours and get stuck in particular niches. Lesbians might make it though.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
It mostly isn't the businesses themselves pushing for women in construction. Construction businesses will hire, literally, anyone. That's why illegals and drug addicts do it. But businesses don't care who they hire.
These woke 'women in construction' pushes are executed through industry advocacy groups and unions(which have time for bullshit). Not through businesses, which have long since made their peace with hiring out of the probation office(they just wish they could get more people). They'll play along, because they'll give anyone a chance. But it's important to bear in mind that it's a push by groups which have time for BS and it doesn't work very well.
Now, can our society go back to a one-income society? Yes, quite easily, housewives are not unicorns and are found at all income levels. The question is will our society make the sacrifices required. I think it should, others think it shouldn't, but it is obviously possible.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
Japan and our little brown brothers in the Philippines have many reasons to be very concerned, and we're the global hegemon.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Depends on your circles. In parts of the rust belt different kinds of ethnic Catholics wouldn’t have intermarried with each other, let alone Protestants, before ~1950. Protestant anti Catholicism was a fringe phenomenon by the nineties, but before that it was common in the south- even as the Catholic taboo on intermarriage took serious beatings with Vatican II(northern Protestant anti-Catholicism went into a tailspin at around the same time, for different reasons).
Inter generational Italian language transmission largely stopped happening in the 50’s and sixties, but deliberate government policy was as responsible as changing social norms. The last native French speaking Cajuns were born in the fifties, for another example. German declined earlier for war related reasons.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The middle eastern equivalent of fascism is Baathism. This is literally an experiment that has been run- Iraq is doing a lot better as a democracy than it was under Saddam.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Trump is not Caesar because he doesn’t have the time left to build out the operation for staying in power. His Republican successor may well be.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Fuentes is legitimately funny and a good speaker and the like. His followers by and large aren’t, and feel like they have a raw deal in society. Fuentes gives them an explanation that doesn’t boil down to ‘you’re a dork’, which will always be popular.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I’ve met quite a number of multi-millionaires. Generally the spouses don’t have productive waged jobs, lots of unpaid but productive jobs at the local food bank/charitable fundraising aggregator/whatever. Lots of wife stores and that sort of thing. The men tend to be smart, personable, and reasonable, but the women cover the usual spectrum. Typically older, and without the time to take a summer off in Europe- but they all have a condo at a nearby beach, or a lake house, or a country club membership, or all three. Red money is notably nicer to the help than blue money, but that’s partly by the latter making things awkward from being uncomfortable with class differences. Both tend to be capable of being cultured, but they might not prefer eg the symphony to popular music from when they were teenagers(which is usually a while ago).
Rich people’s servants, on the other hand, are uniformly awful to deal with.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Sûre. Thé difference is that old timey tax structures suppressed income inequality, leading to status differences being less money gated.
You see the same phenomenon with boomers in eastern Europe who miss communism. Yeah their standard of living was lower but having a nice lifestyle was a closed club, not something you could strive yourself into.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Orwell was a socialist, albeit a cynical and disillusioned one, and he had trouble publishing Animal Farm because the only publishers willing to publish anti-communist parables were anti-communist. Might be worth bearing in mind.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Indeed, communists do do this, in order to define strong anti-communist movements as evil.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The characteristic of fascist political violence is its organization. There is no MAGA brawler club that he sends to go beat up political enemies.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
San Marino and arguably Spain had a fascist government considerably after WWII, and Baathism is a carbon copy of fascism.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
But Mussolini did not carry out any more mass murders than any other authoritarian regime would have(nor did Franco, or half the axis, or Metaxis…) A few fascist governments did. They openly said they were going to do this; Hitler did not pretend that he loved Jews they just had to follow the rules. He campaigned on antisemitism.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The author is pointing out, correctly, that the ingredients of fascism mostly exist in Trump’s base(with totalitarianism as a key exception- but one which is nearly the sine qua non of fascism). But of course these ingredients generally are not found in the same people.
I suspect that the cavalcade of ‘yes, this is actual fascism’ are because the situation certainly rhymes with the Roman republic’s transition to empire- with the democrats as optimates. You know, the losers nobody likes. No one wants to cast themselves as the villain, so you back off from that metaphor to concentrate on a different one. The blue tribe trend setters are educated elites who have some familiarity with the history.
I mean you know workers in the workforce also work fewer hours, right? We're a wealthier society and people don't work as long.
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