hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
11hr ago
Maybe-ish.
First off, we don't know how many people go to the SSPX. They probably don't either. I would guess that their average Sunday attendance is 350-400K, based on their claim of a priest/people ratio of 1:500(this number sanity checks off of priest assignments to individual chapels very well). 600,000 is almost certainly an overestimate; even the SSPX admits this.
Growing isn't clear. We know that when the tradcath community in a given area is growing, the SSPX is usually part of that growth... but usually slower than regular union chapels. Nobody really disputes that pre-July '26 they were growing, but the sources of that growth are in strong dispute(high fertility vs adults joining). It's not clear whether the growth trend has continued- there's plenty of evidence that it has at least curbed.
One thing that is worth saying is that the SSPX leadership is not the same group as the bishops. Yes, this is weird, but they're led by a priest, not a bishop, elected by the general chapter(also of priests, not bishops). This is probably an intentional move to make their canonical status less clearly schismatic. The SSPX is also poor by tradcath standards; SSPX bishops and senior priests would make significantly more money if they joined a regular diocese. Typically in areas with multiple TLM options, the SSPX one has the lowest average income among the attendees. The SSPX as an institution also faces real financial constraints and regularly has to shelve projects due to funding(the FSSP almost never does this- they will raise the money for things they genuinely need to do. The ICRSS raises the money a bit faster. The diocese would just take on debt).
hydroacetylene
11hr ago
Columbus day is political today, obviously, but when it was first introduced, it was political in a different direction- it was pro-italian.
hydroacetylene
11hr ago
If AI safety becomes a partisan issue(as it probably will), then conservative media will start releasing Aella lore. Probably NYpost, then OneAmerica news takes it and runs with a 'TDS AI safetyists are controlled by a pedophile-sympathizing hooker' angle.
hydroacetylene
11hr ago
Was this in a heavily Jewish area, perchance?
hydroacetylene
11hr ago
American Grandmas are eager adopters of iphones- you can set them to large print without needing to break out your glasses, and they let you see pictures of your grandkids easily(there's even shared album features), and you can have arbitrarily large family groupchats...
It is true that American boomers(much more likely to actually be grandparents than Chinese ones) tend to use AI for gifs of dancing kittens, rather than generating grandkids.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The haredim are the only people that take halakha seriously… and canon law is not actually very similar to sharia.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Nah, they’d have a field day with Aella.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Eventually, the EA people’s personal lives will be in the tabloids, and it will make the whole ‘AI safety’ thing look ridiculous to most of the public.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
No, because 'Josephite' is already term in recognized but fairly uncommon religious use in the Christian tradition.
Mormon is, technically, the name of an angel who appears in the LDS tradition but not other ones; it would be the equivalent of referring to Catholics as 'Raphaelans' because protestants don't believe in that particular archangel, and actual LDS do not prefer it. 'Mormon' is already the equivalent of calling mussulman 'mohammedans'.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
The early mormon church believed in a kind of communal ownership(to fund its scams), polygamy, had a racial dynamic the quorum and president try to downplay, claimed its scriptures were actually the ancient egyptian for mormon stories, etc. Early mormonism was much weirder than today's version.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
You can just live that lifestyle at the cost of personal friction
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Politics is totally entertainment. That’s why we have President Trump.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
I’m sure there has, at some point, been a Jewish serial killer who drank the blood of Christian children. If you further clarified that you were referring to that guy, I think at least half of Jewish men would find the reaction of other Jews hilarious.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Islamists we’re on the US side of the Cold War
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Mormons do not believe the same things as Joseph Smith.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
What do you think politics is, it not performance art?
hydroacetylene
2d ago
The Amish and the Hasidim have(often badly dysfunctional; these are not paradaisical cultures) worldviews alternative to modernity. The Mormons are fundamentally modern people. That's the difference.
And Islam comes with a complete premodern worldview and value system, complete with legal code straight out of the eighth century.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
I don't often agree with secure signals. But the entertainment industry is one of the few places where 'it's the jews' is a reasonable first order hypothesis much of the time.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
But what do you think they think of woke communist parents indoctrinating their children to be woke communists?
hydroacetylene
2d ago
I suspect that ‘exegetical’ was not these people’s reason.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Lots of western Mohammedans eat regular bacon, and don’t check what the content of their sausage is, and eat whatever a bbq joint specializes in… while still refusing a pork chop. I’ve even met some who will drink vodka like a fish and then refuse beer or wine because Islam.
Right, homosexuality was a lot less stigmatized when everyone agreed it was a distasteful personal Vice.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
The religious conservative view is not that parents have a right to propagate their worldview. It is that we are right and you are wrong, and children are highly impressionable and need paternalist guidance.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Don’t Islamic countries actually have very high rates, comparatively, of online Vice- gaming, porn, gambling, etc?
hydroacetylene
2d ago
It seems to me that the reasonable middle ground is that you can’t ban artists for outside of stadium, unrelated speech or conduct. Michael Jackson? Don’t host sleepovers in the stadium. ‘Macklemore’? Don’t talk about Israeli aggression during concerts. Etc, etc. These venues are after all privately owned, even if it’s not a truly free market.
Are politically active, hold normal careers in secular employment, use the regular suite of technology, consume normal popular culture(albeit less of it), have social media, and explicitly oppose withdrawing from broader society.
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