sun_the_second
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having one requires sacrifice, and modern society is great at telling people sacrifice is for the lesser mortals even as people like Elon has enough progeny to staff a soccer team.
I can't help but note that Elon is a terrible example of someone who sacrifices much to have children. Elon's contribution to his children, as far as I'm aware of from media osmosis, is a visit to the sperm bank and a payout that is a pittance to him yet enough to make the mother's time worth its while.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
4hr ago
So what exactly happens in the ideal world?
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
4hr ago
They correctly intuit that their personal consumption is a drop in the bucket next to big industrial pollutors.
sun_the_second
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5hr ago
Quite a lot of people who casually talk about wanting someone in prison clearly want the prisoner-to-be to suffer. I don't think the precise difference in sadism matters.
Nearly everyone knows prison sucks, many perceive that prison is more cruel and arbitrary in practice than intended by the law (the old "don't drop the soap in the shower", etc). They still want their enemies in prison, often gleefully emphasizing the cruel and arbitrary parts.
On the other hand, the attitude to corporal punishment as something that might seem cruel but actually done out of necessity and desire to reform is as old as time. "Spare the rod and spoil the child".
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
5hr ago
How do they prove you're unmarried by choice? Shall the government introduce marriage centers (analogous to job centers) that bids you to marry the first bottom of the barrel man or woman they match you with?
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
Then, consider the following:
During the period 1933-45, when literal self-identified Nazis controlled a major world power, people did not stop having children on the grounds that it would be “cruel” to bring a child into such a world. During the second world war, which claimed the lives of at least 3% of the entire world, people did not stop having children on the grounds that it would be “cruel” to bring a child into such a world. During Ireland’s Great Famine, in which a million people starved to death (perhaps as much as 11% of the country), Irish people did not stop having children on the grounds that it would be “cruel” to bring a child into such a world. During the Black Death of 1346-53, in which half of Europe was killed, Europeans did not stop having children on the grounds that it would be “cruel” to bring a child into such a world.
An element of the climate change narrative is that it's not just bad, it's only going to get worse, forever. This removes hope and stoicism that would normally spur people during a war or during the era of high infant mortality.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
There is no charitable reason to specifically say "If you have significant amount of blacks in your society..." and "aggressive and violently inclined black youth will eventually get their hands on guns" unless you want to imply that the black criminals, among all criminals, are uniquely incompatible with guns. As if white, or Han Chinese, or Latino criminals don't have a tendency of getting their hands on guns should guns become available.
I consider this to be common sense and nitpicking around the exact meaning of the poster's statement, devoid of context, meaningless.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
cutting race-based leniency, welfare reforms, penitentiary reforms, less glorification of crime in pop media, etc.
would be a start.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
I do not consider it a strawman to treat the statement to the effect of "if you have red hair, you must drink water" as having clearly implied "if you don't have red hair, then drinking water is not necessary", even if formal logic dictates otherwise. Pretending that this statement should in fact be strictly interpreted according to formal logic insults your interlocutor's intelligence.
Rhetoric gymnastics are not what I come here for.
sun_the_second
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12hr ago
First, it wasn't me or even my country trying it, and second, even if it was, it appears clear that the trying was mostly in one direction. If you go the wrong way in a straight line for 60 years, it doesn't mean the destination does not exist.
I disagree both with the degree of charitability you gave the claim and with "guns and blacks do not mix well". Guns and black criminals do not mix well (well, "guns and criminals" really). It is not obvious to me that the sets of "black people" and "black criminals" are the same circle. While the 13/52 FBI stats are quoted a lot, I have never seen any stats that clarify how large a percentage of the 13 commits the 52.
There are. I'm not under the impression that there is no message at all that would teach boys that bending over backwards for everyone is not really good for them, though.
As the other poster said, I just don't recall being taught to be kind and considerate and thinking "I'm gonna fetch shit for girls". I was thinking more like, I dunno, holding the door for the person behind me.
sun_the_second
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13hr ago
That I agree with.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
13hr ago
I do not observe that the message sent to men is "be a manservant to all women you know", either.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
13hr ago
It is clear and obvious that if a criminal underclass exists, giving people guns will result in the criminal underclass (whatever their racial composition) committing a lot of shootings. I think pro-active evidence is necessary when you claim or imply (as the discussed post, interpreted with average charitability, is implying) that if black people weren't there, there wouldn't be a criminal underclass that can't be trusted with access to guns.
sun_the_second
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13hr ago
The favor of opening the jar here is overshadowed by the favor of fetching her jar while she is doing nothing useful.
For the record, what I imagine as the modal case of helping open a jar is one where the woman is actively making dinner and is in the process of trying to open the jar.
sun_the_second
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13hr ago
Here on this forum it is often stated outright or implied that those problems are strongly intractable, i.e. that there is no sociocultural intervention (cutting race-based leniency, welfare reforms, penitentiary reforms, less glorification of crime in pop media, etc.) that would, if not completely erase the gap between racial groups, at least make them decent enough neighbors. I do not find that immediately obvious or well supported.
sun_the_second
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13hr ago
I think this advice muddies the water between favors that might lessen respect for you (doing something that doesn't demonstrate attractive qualities and is mildly demeaning, like holding a purse or buying a drink; or doing something that demonstrates attractive qualities but also is an overinvestment on your part, like helping move a couch without expecting at least a symbolic favor in return). I find it unlikely that refusing to do something that is non-demeaning, demonstrates effortless aptitude, or both (like opening a jar) would have any impact other than negative.
Can you model a situation for me where a man, otherwise engaged in conversation with a woman (so, not busy) refuses the latter kind of favor? I struggle to imagine it in a way that doesn't make the man look petty by any standard, male or female.
sun_the_second
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14hr ago
Setting expectations early and actually expecting high results early are not the same thing and I do not see anyone here suggesting the latter.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
14hr ago
You believe that sexual attraction, ceteris paribus, grows when she requests you to open a jar and you say "no"? I have not seen a single case where that was the deciding factor, except in the opposite direction.
Would you agree that assuming you want to play basketball, it would be better to teach you how to play basketball before your growth spurt hit, rather than wait until you're the tallest you'll ever be?
sun_the_second
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15hr ago
I believe it is both development and social factors. Minors are more likely to be in a social group revolving around delinquency and crime, on account of not having a job that would take their time up (and be a better prospect for earning money). While they are usually fed and clothed, having a way to earn extra money gives them more freedom and status. Unfortunately, the state of the job market for young people looks like the opposite of freedom and status, even if manning the counter of McDonalds does pay a bit. Thus does drug dealing look more appealing.
I do not believe robbery is always an expression of antisociality. Robbery is very high status and a lauded activity when you do it to outsiders, as part of an army or a warband. Thus we must look at the teen's connection to the broader society. Is he a part of it, and yet robbing the same kind of people he socializes with? Or does he consider society overall a separate group from himself and his warband? The society that, in your own words, pre-imprisons him?
I find it ironic that not long ago you extolled the virtue of society supporting its youth, to the extent of darkly hinting at taking everything from the useless olds, and yet it's somehow bad when teens actually rob the useless olds.
The court system is in a bind. Imprisonment as it currently exists is barbaric and appears to do the opposite of rehabilitating first-timers. Thus the court is moved to be lenient to sympathetic criminals that appear to be fixable, because no other kind of punishment exists. I increasingly favor corporal punishment. Straightforwardly and immediately unpleasant, hardly more undignified than locking you up for years somewhere where you're almost certainly be beaten just as much or more (but extrajudicially and invisibly), you don't get to hang out for years with the cool tough criminal guys in case you considered that kind of a man cool, and you go back to fixing your life immediately.
sun_the_second
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16hr ago
It is observed approximately across the entire world that people (especially men) are worse at impulse control and thinking of consequences in their teens than in their late 20s and onwards. That them being more prone to violence (let alone a nonviolent crime like dealing drugs) is indicative of deep genetic unfixable problems is a claim I do not find even remotely substantiated, to put it mildly.
There are crimes that do indicate deep genetic unfixable problems, but that area is closer to "serial killing" than "drug dealing".
It is a confounding factor that most penitentiary systems I know of engender recidivism, either by leniency or by doing little other than locking first-time criminals in the same social circle as other criminals, while depriving them of opportunities to build a legal and dignifying career.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
16hr ago
Are you talking about committing the same crime, for the first time, at 15 versus 27?
It's my impression the positive male role models are best introduced before the teens break away from the social fabric and start working as dead droppers. Actually purging the drug dealer rings instead of the cops grazing off the pawns indefinitely would also help. Unfortunately, such things are against entrenched interests.
I'm far from a pedagogy expect, let alone a criminal pedagogy expert. The exact best way to realign the values of young men whose values are already misaligned is beyond my reach. The folk wisdom is that the conscripted army service shapes them up. Perhaps separate the reformative detachments from the regular college-dropout ones. (Not suggesting to send them to fight - fighting a war should be the privilege for the best men, not the punishment for the worst, at least if you want any respect for the purpose and goals of war in the first place).
It is my impression that "alternative service" in Russia is mostly in dead end low level jobs. Couldn't something be done to enroll youths in enforced, but compensated apprenticeship in trades and such? Some part of that already exists in the army, as I understand - you could get a driving license, for example.
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