rayon
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Weekly relationship advice thread go, this time I'll be the starter surprisingly.
Through an extremely unlikely chain of circumstances, last year I acquired an irregular interlocutor on one of my hobbies, shortly turned regular interlocutor, and over a ~year eventually tangled and mutated into a basically full-on long distance relationship because it turns out there are girls on the Internet, even in the most unexpected corners.
It's... not going well. Being a resigned ex-rat wizard a decade out of RL practice is setting me back a lot, and I am physically feeling my lack of social experience, recently more than ever when we are having fights nearly every day. I increasingly feel we are not speaking the same language, as it were - specifically, it turns out despite proclaiming myself a vanillachad I am really bad at displays of affection when I can't be physically present, and not only can I not make them sound natural but I can barely make them come out sometimes, because to me they always sound like empty platitudes even when I genuinely mean it, and I fear them being seen as such. My anime-protag-tier obliviousness to signals and shit is also not serving me well here, because a woman genuinely being romantically attracted to me is uh, a novel experience. As I understand there is a lot of frustration on the other side because I've been oblivious to it for a long time, and I internalized it properly very late. I can only hope it's not too late.
I sense we are approaching critical mass, and despite the repeated emotional damage (on both sides) I am determined to try and salvage this. I'm not sure how bullshit/placebo the idea of the five love languages is, but it seems like a useful heuristic here to couch what I see as my main problem - as in, me being a pretty stereotypical nerd/sperg/techie who never expected to actually have a fallible human heart. I sincerely wish to Actually Change My Mind, for reasons not limited to romantic ones, but it does not come easy even in what I consider an almost best case scenario (I genuinely wonder how she puts up with my sperg shit for this long).
How do you deal with "language" mismatches in relationships? Is it possible to learn someone's "preferred" language, or more generally properly internalize displays of affection so it comes more naturally? (e.g she obviously needs compliments and affectionate words but it doesn't come naturally to me, I'm more of a stoic/silent/protective type which doesn't translate well to LD) Is my difficulty with it a sign of autism something else, like platonic attraction, since I'm led to believe it should come naturally if you truly capital-L Love someone?
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
venting from a woman is not a prompt for you to fix an issue and absolutely not a prompt for you to try and dedramatise the issue.
That is actually good advice, thanks! Looking back I see exactly these attempts starting fights on their own.
The empty platitudes might feel empty to you, but if you actually love her then they are not empty if you're saying them to help her feel better.
Also a pretty good cope mindset to view these things through, thank you.
It's a miracle humanity managed to pair bond for so long.
Tangent, but I always wondered if a big part of the persisting popular perception of Love at First Sight and True Soulmates and stuff like that is just couples/parents downplaying their struggles after the fact to strengthen their bond and/or to reassure their children. Maybe I'm an outlier, but for me attraction (in a romantic sense) was never a 0-to-100 flash of inspiration, it was always me gradually growing interested in a person as I learn about their life and language, not noticing it sinking in until at some point the realization hits out of left field.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
No, we haven't met (yet) but I'm lining up my autumn schedule or just getting fired soon.
high-maintenance
Funny you mention it because this specific word is as close as it gets to a trigger for her heh, I used it once in an unrelated context (describing another woman) and she never lived it down, even bringing it up during said fights occasionally. Not exactly a red flag but it stood out enough to nootice.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
Man I really have a whole talmud to properly internalize heh, thanks for the advice. I really like the idea of Ben Franklining here but that might be temporarily off the table given the current situation.
if a partner is fundamentally not interested in a woman as a person, if he gets no great positive utility from caring for her and knowing she's happy day-to-day, if he's not the kind of guy who can notice and spontaneously help if she or a kid are struggling
Well uh see, that's... kind of the crux here. I am very interested in her, I care for her greatly and derive a lot of satisfaction from my savior complex doing it (in fact I have inflicted quite a bit of my residual rat programming on the unwitting gal, to which she took pretty well even). The problem is twofold: I can't express it "visibly", and accordingly my acts of service as it were don't scan to her as explicitly romantic gestures (which she needs), even as she acknowledges the care in the same breath.
I know this is going to look like a massive red flag from her but I assure you I really am that oblivious, the anime comparison wasn't metaphorical, so at least some frustration on her part is warranted here. To be perfectly blunt, I am the type of nigga to be texted "please educate me :3" at night and respond with "actually I think you're taking your lessons well so far, good job!". This has not been bad enough in the past, but the rift is growing, even as she clearly still perceives me as a potential partner and continues to reject dates IRL in my favor.
This is not to say that I don't feel frustrated too; if the above sounds like mixed signals - yes they fucking are, so to some extent I stubbornly hope that if a woman sends you mixed signals, she herself is confused and wants to be told what to think about us, and that I can learn how to drill that into her before the rift is unsalvageable.
Thanks for the advice.
The pattern to watch out for is volatility. She will draw away, try to make you mad, try to make you jealous, and start a fight in some capacity. Then, after the fight, she will get much more clingy and attached.
Not gonna lie I am seeing something similar lately, but it wasn't really there before I don't think, so I chalk it up to approaching critical mass.
If she has concrete things she wants out of you, and providing them makes her happier, then you’re in a good spot.
This is mostly how I know what she wants, because (to damn with faint praise) she shows remarkable explicitness/honesty for a woman and has been pretty consistently patient with explaining things to my autistic ass, even during fights. It's actually a big part of why I want to salvage this because this uh... doesn't seem to be a common trait.
Basically I see my problem as, pardon the parlance, having to System 2 my way out of what is really a System 1 problem - my goal is to try and make "giving her what she wants" natural/instinctive instead of deliberative.
Also, love is not really best thought of as a natural expression of deep and abiding emotions. Save that for the chicks. Love is about day-to-day duties of caring for and about another human.
That's exactly how I see it to be fair, it's also why I asked whether my difficulty with it is a symptom of something else - like maybe if I actually cared or cared more, it would've been much easier to do.
not least because you’re not gay. (I think.)
Thankfully not heh, but I am unwillingly learning about the jo/y/s and tri/u/mphs of human relationships, although my last gf was a literal fujo so I have practice if nothing else.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
All good advice, thanks. These are things I know I should do but aren't in the habit of actually doing them casually, will work on it.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
12d ago
This is not my first LD rodeo either (insert "clown dies in second rodeo" meme here), and likewise that ended in disaster very quickly upon actual contact; the difference being that one crashed and burned through no real fault of my own, whereas here the main culprit is, far as I can tell, mostly me and my autism.
Consider all your flaws, and reasons you can't find a real relationship near you, and understand that along axis you don't even realize exist, she's probably worse.
On the contrary, I'm actually in mild disbelief that a person like her is hanging on random Bolivian melon farming forums at all, much less contacting me first and developing interest. She has her flaws but welp, so do I. Making it work despite that is part of the point, no?
This is such exquisite bait that I will bite it.
What is, exactly, the point of this post?
Ostensibly you've asked a normal question, but tb entirely h I don't buy it, not considering your bio/poasting history - especially now that you've voiced your actual complaint downthread when prompted. At a glance it really scans like you recently entered a thread full of things you do not like (discussion of the recent Trump/Zelensky cockfight, I assume), got annoyed, and now took to vagueposting to bait people into asking for the reason (as sensible people are wont to do), so you can express your perceived ick without actually having to engage with pesky chuds Russian shills directly.
I'm not usually that much of a conflict theorist, but this is such a lazy, passive-aggressive and - yes - stereotypically female mode of engagement (I'm mad and no I won't say why, except actually I will, you just gotta ask properly first) that I can't possibly think of it as being done in good faith, much less a point made "reasonably clear and plain". Functionally indistinguishable from trolling, even.
edit: Fascinating thread, probably the first real dent in my previously-immaculate impression of the mods.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
6mo ago
The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic has published its final report on the results of their investigation (dated from December 4th for some reason). It's quite the whopper at 520 pages and I'm only starting to read through the thing, but they tackle one of the big scissor issues of the issue - the origin of the virus - right at the start so there is a good hook right away. I have not read the Fauci emails so some of this might be old news, but some of those include rather damning excerpts.
According to the report, what would eventually become Proximal Origin started on Feb 1 with a write-up by Kristian Andersen who has Noticed™ some concerning biological properties of the virus which did not strike him as natural. He contacted Jeremy Farrar over this, who acknowledged his concerns and referred him to Fauci; Fauci was appropriately alarmed and shortly arranged a conference call to discuss the findings. Andersen mentions that the talk they had before the call was his first time talking to Fauci, and that he "specifically suggests that if [Andersen] thinks this came from the lab, [he] should consider writing a scientific paper on it."
So he does - apparently encountering inconvenient difficulties along the way. Feb 8, in an internal email from Andersen (p.24):
A lot of good discussion here, so I just wanted to add a couple of things for context that I think are important - and why what we're considering is far from "another conspiracy theory", but rather is taking a valid scientific approach to a question that is increasingly being asked by the public, media, scientists, and politicians (e.g. I have been contacted by Science, NYT, and many other news outlets over the last couple of days about this exact question).
<...> Our main work over the past couple of weeks has been focused on trying to disprove any type of lab theory, but we are a crossroad where the scientific evidence isn’t conclusive enough to say that we have high confidence in any of the three main theories considered. <...>
Feb 20, in another email from Andersen as the work continues (p.25):
<...> just one more thing though, reviewer 2 is unfortunately wrong about "Once the authors publish their new pangolin sequences, a lab origin will be extremely unlikely". Had that been the case, we would of course have included that - but the more sequences we see from pangolins (and we have been analyzing/discussing these very carefully) the more unlikely it seems that they're intermediate hosts. They definitely harbor SARS-CoV-like viruses, no doubt, but it's unlikely they have a direct connection to the COVID-19 epidemic.
Unfortunately none of this helps refute a lab origin and the possibility must be considered as a serious scientific theory (which is what we do) and not dismissed out of hand as another ‘conspiracy’ theory. We all really, really wish that we could do that (that’s how this got started), but unfortunately it’s just not possible given the data.
Emphasis mine. There are already hints of a foregone conclusion, but it doesn't seem bad yet - however Jeremy Farrar, who referred Andersen to Fauci earlier, seems to have different concerns. Same page, email from Farrar (emphasis mine):
I hope there is a paper/letter ready this week to go to Nature (and WHO) which effectively puts to bed the issue of the origin of the virus.
I do think [it's] important to get ahead of even more discussion on this, which may well come if this spreads more to US and elsewhere, and other "respected" scientists publish something more inflammatory.
He later gets notified via email that "rumors of bioweaponeering are now circulating in China", to which his response is:
Yes I know and in US - why so keen to push out ASAP. I will push Nature
Same page, another email from Farrar to Andersen reviewing (some version of) the draft:
Sorry to micro-manage/microedit!
But would you be willing to change one sentence?
From "It is unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of an existing SARS-related coronavirus."
To "It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of an existing SARS-related coronavirus."
That's... certainly one sentence, I suppose.
I'm still reading but from a cursory glance the report tackles many topics, including the government response, the lockdowns, economic impacts, etc. I think many people will find their hobby horse something of interest in here. Discussion thread go.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
3mo ago
Unlike with the boolean yes-no presence of the hair dryer, cutting off annoying tags doesn't at all guarantee that the resulting roughened seam isn't going to be even more aggravating (and now impossible to deal with without tearing the clothes). I actually started to just put up with tags as is rather than risk failing the DEX check and ending up with unwearable shirts.
>t. autist
More notes from the AI underground, this time from imagegen country. The Eye of Sauron continues to focus its withering gaze on hapless AI coomers with growing clarity, as another year begins with another crackdown on Azure abuse by Microsoft - a more direct one this time:
Microsoft sues service for creating illicit content with its AI platform
In the complaint, Microsoft says it discovered in July 2024 that customers with Azure OpenAI Service credentials — specifically API keys, the unique strings of characters used to authenticate an app or user — were being used to generate content that violates the service’s acceptable use policy. Subsequently, through an investigation, Microsoft discovered that the API keys had been stolen from paying customers, according to the complaint.
Microsoft alleges that the defendants used stolen Azure OpenAI Service API keys belonging to U.S.-based customers to create a “hacking-as-a-service” scheme. Per the complaint, to pull off this scheme, the defendants created a client-side tool called de3u, as well as software for processing and routing communications from de3u to Microsoft’s systems.
Translated from corpospeak: at some point last year, the infamous hackers known as 4chan cobbled together de3u, a A1111-like interface for DALL-E that is hosted remotely (semi-publicly) and hooked up to a reverse proxy with unfiltered Azure API keys which were stolen, scraped or otherwise obtained by the host. I probably don't need to explain what this "service" was mostly used for - I never used de3u myself, I'm more of an SD guy and assorted dalleslop has grown nauseating to see, but I'm familiar enough with general thread lore.
As before, Microsoft has finally took notice, and this time actually filed a complaint against 10 anonymous John Does responsible for the abuse of their precious Azure keys. Most publicly available case materials compiled by some industrious anon here. If you don't want to download shady zips from Cantonese finger painting forums, complaint itself here, supplemental brief with screencaps (lmao) here.
To my best knowledge,
- Doe 1 with "access to and control over [...] github.com/notfiz/de3u" is
notFiz, the person actually hosting the proxy/service in question. - Doe 2 with "access to [...] https://gitgud.io/khanon/oai-reverse-proxy" is Khanon, the guy who wrote the reverse proxy codebase underlying de3u. I'm really struggling to think what can be plausibly pinned on him given that the proxy is simply a tool to use LLM API keys in congregate - it's just that the keys themselves happen to be stolen in this case - but then again I don't know how wire fraud works.
- Doe 3 with "access to and control over [...] aitism.net" is Sekrit, a guy who was running a "proxy proxy" service somewhere in Jan-Feb of 2024 during the peak of malicious spoonfeeding and DDoS spitefaggotry, in an attempt to hide the actual endpoint of Fiz's proxy. The two likely worked together since, I assume de3u was also hosted through him. Came off as something of a pseud during "public" appearances, and was the first to get appropriately spooked by recent events.
- Does 4-10 are unknown and seem to be random anons who presumably donated money and/or API keys to the host, or simply extensively used the reverse proxy.
At first blush, suing a bunch of anonymous John Does seems like a remarkably fruitless endeavor, although IANAL and have definitely never participated in any illegal activities before officer I swear. A schizo theory among anons is that NSFW DALLE gens included prompts of RL celebrities (recent gens are displayed on the proxy page so I assume they've seen some shit - I never checked myself so idk), which put most of the pressure on Microsoft once shitposted around; IIRC de3u keeps metadata of the gens, and I assume they would much rather avoid having the "Generated by Microsoft® Azure Dall-E 3" seal of approval on a pic of Taylor Swift sucking dick or whatever. Curious to hear the takes of more lawyerly-inclined mottizens on how likely all this is to bear any fruit whatsoever.
Regardless, the chilling effect already seems properly achieved; far as I can tell, every single person related to the "abuses", as well as some of the more paranoid adjacent ones, have vanished from the thread and related communities, and all related materials (liberally spoonfed before, some of them posted right in the OPs of /g/ threads) have been scrubbed overnight. Even the jannies are in on it - shortly after the news broke, most rentry names containing proxy-related things were added to the spam filter, and directly writing them on /g/ deletes your post and auto-bans you for a month (for what it's worth I condone this, security in obscurity etc).
If gamers are the most oppressed minority, coomers are surely the second most - although DALL-E can burn for all I care, corpo imagegen enjoyers already have it good with NovelAI.
Even if I agree with you that the West has fallen and billions must die (which to be fair I do)... I don't know how to put this but this just ain't it, chief. This is just a wall of brain-hijacking zealot rhetoric. You have allowed a higher power to overwrite your save file, it is literally visible when it speaks through you:
People will still hem and haw, and not accept violence RIGHT THIS SECOND is called for, and that we should feel anguish and moral scorn every second we're delayed by practical realities
In other words, everyone who does not reblog updoot the issue du jour is trash.
Classical Jewish psychology
This is where you sneak in obligatory tribute to said higher power, I assume, I actually do not understand the relation here.
you are faggots, cucks and race traitors who value you failed cuck discussion norms far more that the truth. Failed discussion norms taught to you by failed jews like Yudkowsky and Alexander who openly admit their ritualized cuckoldry and sexual depravity. In this you are a microcosm and exact continuation of the failed morality and intellectual norms that have led the west to this exact moment.
I'm away from home and can't ask Claude to flip your madlibs around into liberal negrolatry circa 2020, so that will be left as an exercise for the reader. The last sentence can even be left as is.
Any light produced without heat is an illusion, a trick cast on the wall, a fire in a film that illuminates only what the director chooses and warms nothing.
Sir, this is a Wendy's. Illusion or not, this is the entire, explicit point of this place, getting mad at this feels like that "I entered a thread full of things I do not like, and now I am mad. How did this happen to me?" meme. The fact that you're mostly getting measured responses instead of TL;DRs or "your hands are shaking btwbeit"-type dismissals only further proves this point; I even suspect that you know this and chose to post this here exactly so that people would actually 'engage' with you.
Since you use the same playbook the wokes do to get me to side with you on at least some of the issue - I agree that things like Rotherham conclusively prove that the Bri'ish cannot be saved. But in this particular case it seems quite beside the point. This brand of seethe vacuous righteous fury isn't picky regarding the exact excuses to unleash it, and contrary to what you seem to think, it actively dampens your point instead of strengthening it.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
5mo ago
could never be dumbed down into something as concrete as stabbing your landlord with a sword.
As the meme goes, you are like a little baby. Watch this.
The government is something that can be compromised by bad people. And so, giving it tools to “attack bad people” is dangerous, they might use them. Thus, pacts like “free speech” are good. But so is individuals who aren’t Nazis breaking those rules where they can get away with it and punching Nazis.
<...>
If you want to create something like a byzantine agreement algorithm for a collection of agents some of whom may be replaced with adversaries, you do not bother trying to write a code path, “what if I am an adversary”. The adversaries know who they are. You might as well know who you are too.
Alternatively, an extended Undertale reference that feels so on the nose it almost hurts (yes, fucking Chara is definitely the best person to mentally consult while trying to rationalize your actions).
Once you make "no-selling social reality" your professed superpower, I imagine the difference in performing Olympic-levels mental gymnastics to justify eating cheese sandwiches and coming up with legitimate reasons to stab your landlord is negligible. (I know the actual killer is a different person but I take the patient zero as representative of the "movement".)
This morning I stumbled on a lost phone while on my way to the wage cage, and decided to do my good deed for the year and return it to its rightful owner. This took some head scratching since the phone was password-locked, no contacts were saved to the SIM, and he hasn't responded to Telegram DMs (suppose the phone which he lost was his only gateway) so the only thread I had was his employer eventually calling the phone at some point and agreeing to pass on the message when the phoneless man eventually clocks in.
This story is unremarkable and secondary to my actual point, which is that I am a nosy curious person by nature and a mysterious password-locked phone is burning a fucking hole in my pocket as it waits for its owner; while I solemnly swear that I am up to some good for a change I admit I'm deathly curious if there's anything I could actually do with it if I wanted to without wiping the entire thing. USB file access is obviously disabled, ADB doesn't see it, and the stock Android screen lock seems to be fairly robust and doesn't let me so much as pull down the notification bar... except not robust enough apparently since I could tap Medical Info and pull it down from that menu just fine (which yielded me the employer's number from the missed call notification).
Eventually I retraced my chain of thought and realized that it also seems prudent to protect my own phone from people like me just in case, I never lost a phone in all the years I had one (in fact I'm pretty paranoid about keeping it around at all times) but it only takes one lapse in vigilance, and I'm not sure if a stock screenlock/password would be enough. In hindsight I feel horrified at how careless I was in never setting at least a basic screenlock in all these years, god knows I have some, ahem, sensitive things saved on my phone. I'm usually not this sloppy with opsec.
TL;DR:
1) Any known neat tricks I can make locked Android phones do to spill some parts of their contents, however miniscule? The above medical info trick really made me feel like a proper fucking h4x0r despite how meager it really was, surely there must be more funny loopholes. Alright I suppose this does kind of glow so this part omitted, I was curious about more mundane tricks, not hardcore blackbagging shit. In any case the phone was happily reunited with its owner, and my burning curiosity has passed.
2) Main question - what is the easiest way to carve out a private space on the phone to store shit in? Optimally it also shouldn't be indexed by the file explorer or show up in various photo/document/file viewers unless accessed through a specific app/feature, although I'm not sure that's possible. Second Space seems like what I'm looking for but I'm not sure how robust it is and how exactly the "split" works technically, if it's simply a separate group of folders I'm not seeing the point. (I consider myself a fairly tech-savvy person but phones aren't my area of expertise)
If Anthropic is the most ethical AI company, how come they're letting my poor nigga get stuck for 2 days with no progress (seems like the last stream ended in the same spot)? He's not getting out, the context window and "knowledge base" is spammed to hell with this circular loop at this point, there's no use, just put him out of his misery and restart ffs. This is just abuse at this point.
The users trying to "corrupt" Tay were not representative and were not trying to be representative
You are literally erasing my existence, mods???
More seriously, thanks for the link, I'll watch this in background after the dev caves and restarts. Claude actually seemed pretty good at playing Pokemon before and I disagree with the notion that AI can't think spatially/temporally, it's just that spatially navigating a whole ass open world (ish) game with sometimes non-obvious routes and objectives, without any hints whatsoever, seems to be a tad too much for it at the moment. Besides in my experience, format/content looping is a common fail state at high context limits even with pure (multiturn) textgen tasks, especially with minimal/basic prompting. The current loop is a very obvious example.
On a side note, this is probably the sanest Twitch chat I've ever seen. Humanity restored.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
3mo ago
I guess I'll try to provide blunt feedback then. I apologize in advance for bringing in unrelated posts.
My entirely subjective opinion: In the span of a week, this thread is the second instance of very obvious bait going completely unnoticed without so much as a warning, even as a powermod explicitly shows up and participates in the discussion (without the modhat, given, but as the ban policy of the Motte is still the main topic in both cases I believe it counts as "speaking officially").
The first instance I believe has been given, frankly, a lot of leeway for a top level post that came out swinging with a thinly-veiled implicit accusation and hasn't (again, in my opinion) significantly improved the mode of communication or strength of argument in the following replies.
More bluntly, I find the (rather visible) pity/condescension towards leftist unpopular points of view distasteful for a powermod, especially given the place's supposed focus on robust argumentation - at risk of being antagonistic, I would definitely not call that poster's median post "doing a good job of representing a point of view that is rare here" unless that was a polite euphemism. As I understand you're trying to keep it balanced as all things should be or something, but this is exactly how you get the affirmative action accusations.
The second instance here is, well... I won't deny that @jeroboam's post is against the rules, but considering that he was rather obviously baited in a much less subtle way (really, argumentum ad Hitlerum in current_year?), I think a "proper" modhat warning would've more than sufficed, especially seeing as the bait itself remains unnoticed.
Notably, both posts were downvoted to hell - I hesitate to point this out, seeing as nobody likes getting dogpiled and updoot total isn't a very reliable metric (certainly a very gameable one), plus as you note downthread we're not a democracy so by itself this means jack shit. Still, it might serve as a very rough approximation of community reception when/if you ponder if it really is the children who are wrong.
FWIW I'm on record as a simp or the moderation here and haven't really felt any disconnect until now, but this is probably the first time I distinctly nootice a real lapse in vigilance, and especially disagree with your convenient blunt-feedback/ankle-biting distinction. The two are one and the same, cavalier dismissal of [thing you don't like] is not the way, and I sympathize with having to expend effort to separate wheat from the chaff every time you get more [things you don't like], but such is the way of the janitor.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
5mo ago
Slimepriestess
In seriousness, I instantly knew from le quirky nickname before I even checked the vid but it's not any less sad. Starting to think I really prefer gamepad-eating """nerdy""" girls of yore over the nerdy """girls""" of today. Monkey paw curls.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
Aww shit, here we go again... I was really starting to hope it doesn't come back, being free of it for a ~week felt great actually
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
2mo ago
I guess his work colleague that I managed to contact via missed call notification did pass the memo - the owner called the phone later in the day from some other number, his friend's probably. He agreed to meet in the evening in the spot where I found the phone, we met up, I asked him to unlock the phone just in case, he did, I handed it over and walked away with a symbolic sum of money for my trouble and a clean conscience. Fin.
He was pleasantly surprised to recover his jacket too when I pointed it out, seems like he didn't even try to retrace his nightly activities or search for his shit at all.
I hope this isn't too consensus building, but I think the way AI posts (meaning posts that mainly consist of AI-generated text, not discussion of AI generally) get ratio'd already gives a decent if rough impression of the community's general sentiment. ...eh, on second thought it's too subjective and unreliable a measure, nevermind.
If we allow AI content but disallow "low-effort" AI content, I guess the real question here is - does anyone really want to be in the business of properly reading into (explicitly!) AI-generated posts and discerning which poster is the soyjak gish-galloping slopper and which is the chad well-researched prompt engineer, when - crucially - both outputs sound exactly the same, and will likely be reported as such? If prompted right AI can make absolutely any point with a completely straight "face", providing or hallucinating proofs where necessary. I should know, Common Sense Modification is the funniest shit I've ever prompted. You can argue this is shitty heuristics, and judging the merits of a post by how it "sounds" is peak redditor thinking and heresy unbecoming of a trve mottizen, and I would even partly agree - but this is exactly what I meant by intellectual DDoS earlier. I still believe the instinctive "ick" as it were that people get from AI text is directionally correct, automatically discarding anything AI-written is unwise but the reflexive mental "downgrade" is both understandable and justified.
Another obvious failure mode is handily demonstrated by the third link in the OP: AI slop all too easily begets AI slop. I actually can't see anything wrong with, or argue against, the urge to respond to a mostly AI-generated post with a mostly AI-generated reply - indeed, why wouldn't you outsource your response to AI, if the OP evidently can? (But of course you'd use a carefully-fleshed out prompt that gets a thoughtful gen, not the slop you just read, right.) If you choose to respond by yourself anyway, what stops them from feeding your reply right back in once more? Goose, gander, etc. And it's all well and good, but at this point you have a thread of basically two AIs talking to each other, and permitting AI posts but forbidding to do specifically this to avoid spiraling again requires someone to judge which AI is the soyjak and which is the chad.
TL;DR: it's perfectly reasonable to use AI to supplement your own thinking, I've done it myself, but I still think that the actual output that goes into the thread should be 100% your own. Anything less invites terrible dynamics. Since nothing can be done about "undeclared" AI output worded such that nobody can detect it (insofar as it is meaningfully different from the thing called "your own informed thoughts") - it should be punishable on the occasion it is detected or very heavily suspected.
My take on the areas of disagreement:
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Disallow AI text in the main body of a post, maybe except when summarized in block quotes no longer than 1 paragraph to make a point. Anything longer should be under an outside link (pastebin et al) or, if we have the technology, embedded codeblocks collapsed by default.
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I myself post a lot of excerpts/screenshots so no strong opinion. AI is still mostly a tool, so as with other rhetorical "tools" existing rules apply.
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Yes absolutely, the last few days showed a lot of different takes on AI posting so an official "anchor" would be helpful.
Wow, Musk really walked into the wrong neighbourhood here. His earlier D4 claim went mostly unquestioned (to my awareness) because frankly D4 bad nobody really gives enough of a shit, but with how zealous its fanbase is PoE was a bad choice to flex, and specifically PoE2 (brutal and borderline bullshit as it is) was a really bad choice. Other replies already mentioned it but you absolutely do not get this far (in HC to boot!) without considerable knowledge of the game, and the minor things like the item level gaffe instantly betray the lack of underlying knowledge. This whole charade distinctly feels like reading a "budget" starter build guide that has Mageblood or something as a required item. I will be very disappointed if there won't be a new meme unique item that does something with level requirements before the end of the year.
It warms my heart to see gamers(tm) continue to be the community least deceived by, or tolerant of, transparent bullshit. Truly the master race.
The technological answer seems obvious - being underdeveloped, technology was advancing more rapidly, leading to more cool new shit that feels fresh and exciting.
their gameplay does not seem to be that big of an improvement over things I have seen before.
Genuine question - how do you tangibly improve on the Doom gameplay formula? Looting levels and shooting shit seems like a fairly complete feature on its own, the only improvements are building some sort of scaffolding on top of that in search of synergy - RPGesque systems, color differentiation of pants 873 gazillion guns of looter shooters, top-down Crimsonland slaughterfests, roguelikes, realistic sims, battle royale, etc. etc. The core conceit remains unchanged. Maybe nu-Doom and other ADHD shooting games like Ultrakill do represent a core improvement but I'll be honest it's not an improvement I want to see everywhere, my geriatric reflexes aren't up to the task.
As for why games aren't as good as in the olden days, the answer is probably that games grew into a proper art form and achieved mass appeal. Before mass appeal, something that was famous worldwide (e.g Doom, Half-Life, XCOM, etc.) was expected to be, and frequently was, famous on its own strength since the scene is mostly populated by fellow enthusiasts who enjoy this niche as you do and have tastes and standards broadly aimilar to yours.
With mass appeal comes an influx of normies, which by themselves aren't actually a problem, their distaste for difficulty is spiritually the same type of complaint that I make above wrt my geriatric reflexes. They aren't gud enough for trve hardcore gaming, and want different things from their games. I do it myself, I'm terrible at shooting games and dislike PVP in general so I don't play e.g Tarkov with the gang. This is okay.
What is not okay is the swarms of Gervais-sociopaths that invariably follow the herds of normies; as we know, real hard-R gamers are infamously culturally sensitive and averse to bullshit, while normies have no such complications and can be duped with impunity. SplitFiction is actually a perfect example of this trend, as discussed downthread; a malevolent will behind the scenes has explicitly designed the game to deceive normies' sensibilities, with full knowledge that co-op can salvage any garbage, Redditors heckin love novel schticks and metanarratives, and a few cleverly-placed identity markers will defang most of the intuitive criticism (I'm not even talking about the quirky not-lesbian female characters fighting an evil white nerd; rather that the fact of the two being literal writers is specifically made to disarm the exact complaint @Fruck makes here, cf. exhibit A - let's see you write better, fucking chud!). This is a perfect metaphor for gaming as a whole. We truly do live in a society.
Still, I disagree that gaming is dying; AAA gaming is, sure, but that's arguably a good thing, and the indie scene is still strong as ever. My consumption of vidya remains as high as ever, maybe except that I too notice I don't have the stomach to get into 100+ hour games anymore, I really want to play BG3 and Metaphor but the time requirement is legitimately daunting. Great games still exist, but the fame of something is no longer an indicator of its quality (arguably it's becoming a point against), and you have to shovel through piles of shit to find diamonds, or even just some decent ore. Y'know, like with any other popular medium nowadays.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
5mo ago
Because they're intelligent, increasingly so.
That still would not make them human, which is the main purpose of the forum, at least judging by the mods' stance in this thread and elsewhere. (I suppose in the Year of Our Lord 2025 this really does need to be explicitly spelled out in the rules?) If I want to talk to AIs I'll just open SillyTavern in the adjacent tab.
The argument that cognitive output is only valid insofar as it comes purely from flesh reduces intellectual intercourse to prelude for physical one.
This seems like a non-sequitur. You are on the internet, there's no "physical intercourse" possible here sadly, what does the "physical" part even mean?
Far be it from me to cast doubt on your oldfag credentials, but I'll venture a guess that you're just not yet exposed to enough AI-generated slop, because I consider myself quite inundated and my eyes glaze over on seeing it in the wild unfailingly and immediately, regardless of the actual content. Personally I blame GPT, it poisoned not only the internet as a training dataset, infecting every LLM thereafter - it poisoned actual humans, who subsequently developed an immune response to Assistant-sounding writing, and not even R1 for all its intelligence (not being sarcastic here) can overcome it yet.
Treating AI generation as a form of deception constitutes profanation of the very idea of discussing ideas on their own merits.
Unlike humans, AI doesn't do intellectual inquiry out of some innate interest or conflict - not (yet?) being an agent, it doesn't really do anything on its own - it only outputs things when humans prompt it to, going off the content of the prompt. GPTslop very quickly taught people that effort you might put into parsing its outputs far outstrips the "thought" that the AI itself put into it, and - more importantly - the effort on behalf of the human prompting it, in most cases. Even as AIs get smarter and start to actually back up their bullshit, people are IMO broadly right to beware the possibility of intellectual DDoS as it were and instinctively discount obviously AI-generated things.
rayon
waifutech enthusiast
5mo ago
Related discussion on LW, with linkbacks to the blog in question. The actual article titled "The Multiverse" somehow missing from every archive snapshot (but definitely existing at some point, judging by linkbacks from the post) is too ironic to be put into words, I'm actually curious now.
Thanks for killing a few hours of my wageslavery, fascinating rabbit hole.
I just want to register my amusement at the fact of how obvious and how consistent that is a hallmark of the writings of most curtent SotA LLMs. The indomitable human
spiritpunctuation strikes once more. I will definitely be telling my hypothetical children that the em-dash was a modern invention named after the Age of Em, and the eponymous ems' memetic overuse of it.It seemed like a funny meme at first but it increasingly looks like I really will be asking my internet interlocutors to say "nigger" apropos of nothing in a few years from now.
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