cjet79
Anarcho Capitalist on moral grounds
Libertarian Minarchist on economic grounds
User ID: 124
cjet79
1hr ago
I handed the question over to Gemini AI.
It came up with $45 minimum for 4 sandwiches and 2 salads from Wendy's. And $30 minimum for buying all the stuff to make it yourself. Let's say that is three meals, and it comes out to $10 for making it yourself or $15 for getting it at Wendy's.
Yes, you can make cheaper meals by cutting corners and having fewer ingredients, but Wendy's could do the same thing! So you've stopped comparing like to like. And that is also part of my whole point that the food served by restaurants is often better.
This also assumes that your time/labor is free. Which is an ok assumption if you like grocery shopping, cooking, and cleaning. But most people don't like all three of those. If you value your time above minimum wage it quickly stops being worth it to cook for yourself.
cjet79
1hr ago
Ya I don't mind catering to her preference here, it just feels strange because her younger sister has way more spice tolerance and I don't feel like we fed them that different.
cjet79
13hr ago
My wife is German and had the same preference when she was young, she still sort of has the preference, but can get over it mostly.
And yes my daughter is very picky otherwise. Mostly she judges with her eyes a lot, but if we can convince her to try a thing there is more chance of her liking it. Hilariously got her to try my medium rare steak at a restaurant one time, and now she loves steak. Anything vaguely "spicy" is a hard no. I'm not like a huge spice freak. Jalepenos are generally spicy but not too spicy to me. But she considers things spicy that I can't taste any spiciness in. Any hint of pepper (as in salt and pepper) is too spicy.
If it was up to her I'm sure she'd be happy to eat the same thing day in and day out. I've made her a PB&J for lunch at camp every day this summer, no sign of her getting sick of it. She'd happily eat pasta (with butter), chicken nuggets (with ketchup), and (cooked) broccoli every day for dinner. Or at least she did it for a week before I gave up the experiment and thought I should maybe feed her different things for her own health.
cjet79
14hr ago
Its a hassle and inconvenient. And you are usually talking about an extra 30 minutes of cooking/cleaning/shopping per meal, so 1.5 hours a day. For the "privilege" of less tasty meals. The cost savings feel minimal on a per meal basis, so it has to be a decision you constantly make to "save" money. I put save in quotations because your time costs money. If you enjoy cooking and dont mind cleaning up its no big deal, but for anyone that doesn't you are basically suggesting minimum wage rates. I can get a salad and a sandwich at a Wendys for less than $20. If I could make that exact same meal for 10$ in just 30 minutes (plus cooking and shopping for ingredients time) I'm basically working at a $20/hour wage.
Certainly poor people can save lots of money over time if they are basically willing to work an extra hour and a half a day, and cut out one of the main enjoyments in life. It also feels insane to me to blame them for not taking that "money-saving" option. They could also just pick up a second wage labor job to make sure they are working 70-80 hours a week. They can make sure to forego an extra hour of sleep a night for any jobs that don't require full wakefulness. They can use a crappy handme down phone and pick the cheapest data plan. They dont need a TV. Instead of a mattress they can just buy a sleeping bag. They can live in an apartment with a few dozen other people instead of paying rent on their own. Actually, they don't really need to pay rent, there are homeless shelters, and I've heard the weather in California is nice this time of year (and any time of year). Or they can always sleep in their car if they really need to even have a car. Or, even better, they can skip all the work. Just commit a crime that is serious enough for some prison time. Doesn't need to be a lot of prison time. Just enough to get in, once you are in you can do additional things to extend your time inside! In prison they provide rooms, food, toilets, showers, doctors, socialization, sunlight. Everything that someone needs to live.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but at some point people need to live. They need to be human. Food is one thing I'm not willing to hold over them and say "no you have to be a profit maximizing robot". I certainly don't follow that standard. My wife and I had our anniversary dinner last year at a really nice restaurant, the bill was around $700. We had a great time, the food was really amazing, the drinks were amazing, the service was great, we spent two and a half hours there.
I don't hold the poor free of all responsibility. I expect them to at least make half decent decisions on drugs, jobs, and location. Avoid drugs, find jobs that pay well for your abilities, and live in an area where you can survive and your children have the possibility to thrive.
cjet79
15hr ago
It was like that for me before. My wife and I would regularly do our "date nights" by cooking a blue apron together. With three hangry kids running around it changes things. My one year old is nearly inconsolable if there is not food waiting on the table as soon as she gets home. My two older kids will just fight and then raid the pantry for junky snacks that ruin their appetite for anything vaguely healthier later.
cjet79
15hr ago
My oldest daughter has the most annoying preference where she doesn't like different kinds of food items touching each other on her plate.
By making five fully separate food items I can usually satisfy all the kid preferences and still make something a little different for the adults.
My wife and I certainly love crockpot items, and I use them all the time for making host size meals
cjet79
17hr ago
I guess mileage may vary. I have not lived in a large city like that. The friends that I had who lived there had all those complaints. And maybe yes it doesn't take much to do a setup to allow for cooking. But it is a one time hurdle that still has to be jumped over, so I'd at least add it to the behavior stack.
I had been about to write a whole thing about the hassle of cooking. I ran out of time and wrapped up the comment. So I heavily agree with you. I have a family of 5 and I am the primary cook in the house. We still end up eating out 2 to 7 times a week (I know that is a big variance, but lots of variance in my life right now). The home cooked meals are as simple and time saving as I can make them. I'm throwing pasta in a big pot, putting pre-breaded frozen chicken in an air fryer, and using microwave ready vegetable packs. And sometimes I'm skipping those second two things. On the harder side sometimes I am making meal kits from hello fresh that take like 1.5 hours. I'm trying to make this as easy on myself as possible and it is still a huge mental strain and stressor all week every week. At this moment I am typing this comment rather than figuring out what I'm gonna do for dinner tonight since the fridge is barren. I do actually enjoy cooking and making things, but that is something i want to do once or twice a week when I have lots of spare time.
cjet79
21hr ago
I think it is mainly doomed because it starts with a bad analysis of "the problem".
There are things called food deserts, sure, but why? New York is one of the wealthiest cities in the world, even the poor are extremely wealthy by global standards. Go to just about any Asian city and you don't have to look hard for fresh anything, cooked anything, etc. There are markets all over.
New York doesn't allow open air markets, so that doesn't help. But there are still plenty of shops everywhere. Why aren't the shops selling a bunch of fresh ingredients?
Put yourself in the mind of a poor New Yorker. You've just acquired a bunch of fresh ingredients for cooking. Now take them back to your apartment. Your tiny, shitty apartment, with multi decade old cooking appliances, lack of cookware, and then when you finish out how to microwave the meal to completion you can serve them on your non-existent dishes and wash those non-existent dishes by hand in your sink because you don't have a working dish washer. Do we all see the problem? You have to be rich to afford a nice enough place to cook for yourself in New York. Even giving away food for free will not solve this problem.
The food deserts exist because of a lack of demand. And even giving away free food won't be enough to get poor New Yorkers cooking their own healthy food.
They buy snacks, easy microwave meals, and takeout food. If you can make all of those things more healthy without increasing their price you might be able to get more New Yorkers actually eating healthy.
But why do you even want them eating healthy? Is it because you want them to be less obese and more healthy? Well good news, we have a solution for that, they are called GLP-1s. Just subsidize them and hand em out like candy to New Yorkers. Or have bodegas sell them.
In conclusion Mamdani's end goals are attainable. He has just chosen to go about it in a roundabout and silly way that will accomplish nothing.
cjet79
1d ago
I would strongly guess human.
Writing skill: Once you get in the habit of certain writing techniques, it becomes hard not to use them. Just a simple one: if I am listing things out I find it very uncomfortable to do any list length other than three.
Tone: It's a shade too harsh. Unless you beat most AIs over the head it feels impossible for them to give this level of tough but fair criticism. I'd guess without using an AI that it would respond to the post with sympathy for their plight, maybe actions for change, and maybe additional criticisms of the women.
cjet79
1d ago
I don't see how those contradict each other.
If you want to find an excuse to ignore what I'm saying that is fine, but ill advised. Bans will still apply.
Yours was simple, you had a post that was predominantly boo outgroup.
cjet79
2d ago
The Odyssey sort of. It's obviously not the main plot point. But father seems way better than son at kicking suitor but.
cjet79
2d ago
I'm aware they will be, the standard you applied is hilariously low that again, even many of the users here who hate me found it questionable.
And the ban length was commensurately low. You were part of a crackdown to stop a trend that I was noticing. I don't dislike you in any way, if I did I'd hand off moderation of you to someone else. I pointed out to another user that suggested you should be given some leeway because you might not have noticed the other ban, that the ban I handed you was to give notice to other users. If you and others are more careful about posting heavily "boo outgroup" top level posts then I am happy and mission accomplished.
I'm sorry that you were the particular example, but also not sorry, because the punishment was minor, the correction seemed necessary, and you did violate the rules as I interpret them.
It would probably help your argument you apply the rules fairly if you didn't contradict yourself in the same paragraph.
Admitted lack of clarity on my part. Bigger candidates tend to have more other stuff swirling around them. Its the other stuff that is fully open to discussion. Like the mamdani post where he wanted to arrest the israeli guy. If the post is just "mamdani is an idiot" that is bad and boo outgroup, but myself and other read the post as "can mamdani even do this, what would even happen" and that led to interesting other discussion. It also implied that the motivation for the orginal post wasn't entirely just "mamdani said this stupid thing". However, if a no-power position candidate says something stupid or does something horrid there often isn't much else to discuss.
It is coincidentally easier to not fall afoul of the boo outgroup posting for higher level candidates, because you can easily make it not just about the fact that they did something terrible. BUT no level of high level candidacy is an excuse for a pure or heavily boo outgroup top level post.
And your post did fall afoul of that. And your post seemed to be a specific one-upping of the platner stuff, which you alluded to in your first sentence. That is specifically what we are trying to avoid, a sort of one-upping back and forth of culture warring where this thread is just turned into another battle ground.
When people who have every motive to say otherwise were telling you that it was weak, it was probably very very very weak in actuality.
I think many people interpreted the ban wrong. We don't have many tools here. One tool is warning. Another tool is temp banning. And the final tool is perma-ban. In my experience plenty of people tend to ignore warnings. There will be accounts with dozens of warnings that they never act upon. And then the first time we actually ban them, suddenly they make an attempt to modify their behavior. Some of the other mods are more willing to play the "warn repeatedly" game. I'm not. In most cases I'm doing a temp ban. If it is worth it for me to defend and promote a rule, its worth it to impose some consequences on the user that broke the rule. I consider 1-3 day bans basically a slap on the wrist. 4-15 day bans a serious infraction. And anything above a 15 day ban our alternative to a perma ban.
I'm happy to engage in discussion on the ban mainly because it serves the same purpose as the ban, highlighting what behavior is not ok and what might get a future ban. This is probably getting too low in the discussion to even be viewed by most people. If you are still pissed at me and think I have wronged you, and you want another mod to review it all, then just report this comment or the comment where I moderated you. We do not approve our own comments. So someone else will come along and look at it.
cjet79
2d ago
We generally moderate what is reported. If you want me to go back litigate your posts that were not reported then simply report your posts and add them to queue. They will likely be ignored, but if you really want me to look at them and let you know if they are rule breaking I suppose I can do that. The outcome will be that either I ignore it like most reported things or I hand out warnings/bans.
The object level issues are not in contention from me.
The level of candidate doesn't matter. A post just about Trump being a cheater, or Kamala sleeping her way to the top could also be dinged under these rules. I'd maybe be more lenient if the candidate was more well known, usually there are side issues for higher level candidates that the poster might care about and call out.
cjet79
3d ago
Probably ask yourself why you want to share or discuss a particular story.
There was a legitimate question in the mamdani story "can he even do this" and a discussion of why it's a horrible idea for him to do this.
If your purpose in sharing something is more like "look at this horrible thing my out group did" and "does everyone else think this is as horrible as I do". Then you should stop and reconsider.
cjet79
4d ago
If you cannot shake your fist at a cloud on themotte where can one do so?
I read you. I somewhat intentionally became set in my ways on pronouns about a decade ago. I like the 4chan ethos of "everyone is a dude" on the internet. I don't hear your tone of voice, how deeply or softly you might speak, I don't see your chest or shoulders to know how you hold yourself, and I don't see into your eyes or catch your stare. I just read the words you have written. I'm interacting with just a brain and fingers on a keyboard. A set of physical traits shared by both genders, and in doing so failing to define either gender.
Saying you are a pronoun "user" was a bit tongue and cheek. I definitely don't care about English grammar "rules". If Fuck can mean anything, so can other words. A "user" is the mind and words of person interacting with me over the internet. Maybe eliminate "person" from that definition once AIs truly get good enough (another year at this rate?).
I truly do not see you as men and women or boys and girls. It feels silly to me use gender terms in text-only online forums. If we were to meet in person, you'd absolutely have a gender term in my mind the instant I saw you. Highly likely that term would line up with what you were at birth.
cjet79
5d ago
Unless their gender is relevant to a modding decision I'm not gonna take notes or remember it. Your pronoun is user.
cjet79
5d ago
This was a bad comment. HereAndGone2 went a little too far in admonishing you so I've warned them as well.
But this demonstrates my problem with bad posts, is that they often beget other bad posts. You have both been here long enough to know better.
cjet79
5d ago
It feels criminal to me how most places are moderated.
I do like that our reputation is good enough at this point that people feel free to chime in with what they think of a ban. I remember very early days before that was fully established and some people would tip toe around us and constantly drop lines like "I expect to be banned for saying this but [this mod decision was bad]".
cjet79
7d ago
5 day ban for now, we really don't want large text dumps from AI here. Will discuss with other mods on shortening or lengthening ban.
cjet79
7d ago
I don't think any interventions were necessary anywhere. It's in everyone's interest to keep the oil flowing. Who exactly wants the money train to stop, and with what money are they gonna raise an army to stop it?
And if your answer to my original point is "oh we could have paid 95% less on intervention" then I would be happy with that compromise.
This conversation also started about Israel, how much oil does Israel have? I thought the answer was effectively none.
cjet79
7d ago
I'm confused. First I say I don't want middle east spending and intervention. Next you say I couldn't have had that opinion pre-2010s because the intervention was required for lower oil prices. Next I say we spent trillions on that intervention so it seems not worth it. Now you say that intervention wasn't related to oil prices (which I agree with) but makes your original objection seem strange and pointless.
Corporal punishment against my kids for not eating food feels wrong to me.
I remember having food arguments with my parents as a kid. I went to bed hungry a few nights, but I still never learned to like broccoli.
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