Stefferi
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Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
1d ago
The specific point made was not that the blue states are electing blue candidates but that the said candidates are doing better than Harris or even Biden.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
1d ago
It may not, in fact, have been a good idea for the White House and the departments like Homeland Security to adopt a "stuff that's designed to make 12 year old anons say "based", hopefully" style messaging strategy, insofar as the popularity of the President's party is concerned.
Stefferi
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1d ago
A clan/warlord-militia-based army is rather different in this respect than an organized military, though one could argue that a clan/warlord-militia-based army did exist in the territory of Ukraine at one time (the Donbass "people's republics", before Russia put the chaos to an end)
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
1d ago
It was a part of a premodern Russian empire withotu anywhere close to the amount of state capacity (or general ideological development related to modernity) to attempt assimilation, or basically any form of governance beyond letting local atamans and village chiefs continue to do as they've always done. Things are obviously quite different on that front now.
Stefferi
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1d ago
Yeah, it wouldn't just be that the Ukrainians would now be Russians - they'd be (considered to be) stupid hick Russians, traitorous hohols who almost sold out their birthright for a song, idiots with a dumb accent with the best of them aspiring to move to the central cities to lose their accent and identity to be accepted in the in crowd and the rest being proles and cannon fodder. Why wouldn't they aspire to prevent this?
Stefferi
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15d ago
I'm not sure if Trump has a strategy. He plays by instinct and the seat of his pants, as he does in many other situations. It's got him this far, why quit now?
Stefferi
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18d ago
The German army still uses an obvious Iron Cross as a medal of honor and in the Bundeswehr symbol.
Stefferi
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21d ago
TBH (without having read Griffin's book) I've always wondered if "palingenetic" is superfluous here. I mean, the fascist movements we do know have had the palingenetic element (and it doesn't really affect the question of whether Trump's a fascist or not since the palingenetic element is obvious down to the MAGA slogan), as one could imagine a fascist movement built on the basis of "our nation has never been particularly great or important, but we are going to be great in the future".
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
21d ago
A fair amount of those actually aghast about this stuff consists of old Republicans (the sort of figures that would be called "GOPe", though they're not really the establishment any more), with many libs/leftists more in the exasperated "Yes, of course they're saying that stuff, have you not been playing attention?" mode.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
22d ago
My feel (can't of course fully tell the atmosphere as a non-American) is that this sort of a thing would have got a bigger reaction and more fallout in literally any preceeding era than the current one. At this point basically anyone in politics under 45, left or right, has probably factored in the idea that young right-wingers are going to make rape and Holocaust jokes in private groupchats, but it's still evidently a wild concept to those over 45. (Since the olds are also likely the ones who hold the purse strings in orgs like this, of course the organizational leadership also has to react.)
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
22d ago
She is by far the most significant female political leader in the US to date.
I'd say Eleanor Roosevelt, depending on the definition of "political leader", for her work on UDHR, which has had humongous effect on global politics and ideology ever since its declaration.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
23d ago
Of course, there's another reason why the Nobel committee would be adverse towards granting Trump Nobel right now - there's already a precedent of giving an US president a Nobel for practically nothing (sure, sure, cease-fire and all that, but it's still uncertain how well it holds and the decisionmaking process had already been going on for quite a period at that time) and then getting a lot of flack for it. For American conservatives, certainly, this might seem unfair with Obama and Trump being considered the opposites, but for practical purposes the rest of the world does often tend to consider them to belong to the same category - American presidents.
Some have also pointed out that the Machado decision is generally well in line with other recent Nobel Peace Price decisions - four out of five last years have seen the NPP being at least in part awarded to dissidents from American enemy countries (Dmitry Muratov from Russia in 2021, Ales Bialiatski from Belarus in 2022, Narges Mohammadi from Iran in 2023, Machado now.)
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
23d ago
I think it was just an atavistic reaction, partly to the simple idea of it being the height of wrongness for the God-Emperor to not get what he wants at all times and partly to the "brown foid from a shithole country? Must be a woke commie!" kneejerk assumption.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
23d ago
There is also some irony, or possibly some future culture war conspiracy theories, about how this will not get Trump a noble peace prize, since they announced that late last week.
This led to some incredibly stupid discussions I've seen with both leftists and rightists assuming that the Machado selection was some sort of a woke Yass Queen finger in the eye towards Trump instead of doing just the barest amount of Googling to recognize that this was very much in the line with the Trump admin foreign policy goals, ie. getting rid of Maduro, which was then confirmed with Machado going out of her way to congratulate and give credit to Trump after the selection.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
27d ago
I wouldn't trust Europe to figure out a way to manufacture toilet paper really.
My entire nation is screaming in pain RN.
Stefferi
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27d ago
Well, yes, those are indeed symptoms of the US not being a soccer country, and the situation would thus change if it was one.
Stefferi
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27d ago
I've been reading and posting on Threads recently. There seems to be an interesting division between Finnish Threads (essentially a hornier version of normie white-collar millennial Twitter, somewhat leftlib but mostly apolitical) and American Threads (dumber Bluesky). Threads is probably somewhat more popular in Finland than many other countries for reasons I haven't really understood, so that probably contributes.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
28d ago
Just make America enough of a soccer country to start having real soccer ultras/hooligans (from what I've seen, the American ones seem to be considered quite larpy). Of course soccer firms tend to be recruitment grounds for actual political extremism, as well, but that's the sort of thing where you "learn to fight. They have to have something to capture, some opponent to beat, and some promise of reward for taking risks" (the last one being social ingroup approval).
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
30d ago
Sure, it's open for everyone (though I suspect that right-wing content gets boosted by the algorithm), it's just bit rich at this point to say that right-wingers (let alone milquetoast right-wingers) have to do with "condemned self-hosted shitholes or bust".
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
30d ago
Right-wingers from milquetoast to genocidal currently have Twitter to jerk themselves off day and night.
Stefferi
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1mo ago
There was a former Nazi official serving as the Bundeskanzler at one point.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
1mo ago
I’m not aware of any widespread right/conservative celebration of either of these attacks.
Not celebration, but there seems to have been a fair amount of "This is a horrible attack but it is important to remember that Mormons aren't Christians but instead a heretical sect etc." style of commentary, which resembles "This is a horrible attack but it is important to remember that Kirk was an anti-gay Christian nationalist etc." style of commentary that was read by many to be at least tone-deaf and possibly sort of celebratory/stochastic.
Mamdani won Zoomers, including male Zoomers, as comprehensively as the Millennials. While there's no specific racial breakdown for age/gender classes, Mamdani also won white voters in general, so it's a fair guess that he's probably won white male Zoomers, too, as a demographic.
The whitehouse.gov / DHS Twitter messaging line is not really designed to appeal to Zoomers as a whole generation but to a very specific segment of forumlords of the sort that probably staff the junior ranks in the apparatus. The same problem in reverse the Dems had when they let Millennial Tumblr users design their messaging.
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