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-_-_-_-_-  7mo ago (natesilver.net)   Edited 7mo ago   1704 thread views

Why liberalism and leftism are increasingly at odds

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I thought this was an interesting framing of political discourse, but hadn't seen it referenced elsewhere. So, now I'm referencing it elsewhere.

Silver creates a Socialism-Conservatism-Liberalism triangle, proposing that this three-axis (yet still two dimensional) dynamic describes much of political discourse. He doesn't make a direct contrast to the traditional political compass, but their respective merits seems like a good question.

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Apologies. I'm rushed, but hopefully describing the basic idea and the prior idea it implicitly contrasts is a sufficient explanation of why it's worth discussing.

Well that's better than nothing so I'll approve it.

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