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PaperclipPerfector  8mo ago (text post)   2072 thread views

Transnational Thursday for March 21, 2024

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You are saying that now, but many posters here said the same thing to argue that Ukraine would never blow up Nord Stream 2

I was commenting (maybe here) that Ukraine blowing NS is unlikely - but due to lack of ability to do this, not due to lack of motive. (add to that inability to keep secret)

before the articles saying it was likely them started appearing

were there any worth anything? And not written by that journalist which is spiralling into insanity for some time?

and are you really sure it was them anyway?

AFAIK nothing clear appeared and I am confused how this topic died. I would expect at least Russia to keep talking about this and release something if anything close to actual proof would appear.

If hypothetically this attack was actually ordered from Ukraine, is there any evidence that Russia could realistically obtain and present that would convince you of that, assuming Western media and governments just stuck to the line that it was independent ISIS adherents?

In this case it is relatively tricky. And it is price they are paying for very low quality of courts.

Though for NS providing some evidence should be feasible.

There was this cluster of reports carried by the WaPo and most major German papers. The Russian reaction at the time was that this is a lizard-cutting-off-its-tail release meant to pin it on "rogue elements in Ukraine that nobody with agency can be held responsible for" and the operation was actually executed with US backing. The reaction was mokusatsued in Western media.

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