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It is routine for me to see HBD proponents decry the reversal of Roe v Wade explicitly on the grounds that black women will no longer be aborting their babies at their previous disproportionately-high rates. Has your experience been different?
Plausible, but I'd appreciate some examples. I do not see any HBD supporters or white-identitarians in leading the charge in the gun culture, and given how many of them vote Democrat and have all their lives, I'm skeptical they're staunch 2A advocates. Do you have specific people in mind here?
Again, do you have specific examples here? Is Jared Taylor outspoken on womens' role being in the home? For that matter, I'm curious how you understand Red Tribe's attitude toward social status of women, given that committed Christians holding conservative views such issues are disproportionately female. Like, there are a lot of women in my Church, and I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't agree with your framing. Certainly my wife would not, or her sister, or her mother, or my mother or sister.
Did we ever figure out whether BAP was actually gay or not?
BAP again, and in general this is not the vibe I get from my interactions and observations. God Shaped Hole would be the strongest support for this argument that I'm aware of. I didn't finish the piece, but while it struck me as porn-critical, its objection seemed much more political and centered on porn-as-it-currently-functions, not porn-in-general. Perhaps I'm wrong, or you have other examples in mind?
I expect the people most concerned with Trans issues to be the sincerely religious, and those most concerned with white identitarianism to be atheist and to view Trans issues as a distraction from what really matters, which is race. Certainly that's the pattern I believe I've observed here. I'm open to being corrected, though.
I don't think either one has much chance of securing the future they purport to desire, so I'm not sure why this should be more relevant than the similarities in the ways they engage with race here and now.
Trans issues are important to many on the social right - religious or not, white identitarian or not.
There's concern for the healthy people who are performing irreversible unnecessary medical procedures on their bodies due to what is essentially a social contagion, many of whom are impressionable young teens, and there's also the natural bristling at the Orwellian "you must say that this man is actually a woman and let him participate in women's sports" dictates. Neither of these justifications are religious in nature.
From the National Justice Party platform statement (the NJP is a recently-defunct white identitarian party spearheaded by Mike Enoch of therightstuff.biz. Although the party recently disbanded due to internal conflicts, their website nationaljusticeparty.com is still available on the wayback machine):
From Patriotic Alternative (largest active white identitarian party in the UK):
From Counter Currents:
It's primarily a general attitude that I've picked up on from comments sections and podcasts. I don't have a ton of specific examples offhand to link to. But we do have:
From Patriotic Alternative:
From the NJP platform statement:
Surely these statements would set off alarm bells for progressives.
Your original post was about the "progressive left" and the "white-identity right", so those are the groups I'm comparing.
It's important that we not conflate "white-identity right", "HBD supporters", and "red tribe". These are all separate things, even though there is overlap.
If your wife, sister, and mother are not white identitarians, then I don't think their views are relevant for this comparison.
Is BAP actually a white identitarian? As in does he advocate for a race-based criteria for citizenship and immigration? I'm not familiar with his work.
Regardless, see the NJP platform statement above about banning homosexual propaganda.
From Counter Currents:
Girls on Film: The Predominance of Pornography. The money quote is right at the end: "Readers of this website are aware that there is more to our ideas than just biological “whiteness,” and porn is an excellent example of this."
Why Porn Makes You Pathetic
From The Occidental Observer:
Legalized Pornography and Demographic Genocide - "I think the implications of these findings to White Advocates should be loud and clear: The use of pornography by Whites should be fought tooth and nail, and the banning of pornography in White majority countries and states should be set as a central long-term goal."
Research on Pornography and the Sexualization of Culture
There's a pretty wide variety of perspectives on abortion within white identitarianism, but in general most people will be opposed to white women aborting healthy white babies, which is already a marked difference from the standard progressive platform of (relatively) unrestricted access to abortion for all women.
Greg Johnson's take.
It's not a flagship issue for white identitarians but see here.
You asked how the progressive left and the white-identity right are different. I pointed out a policy question that they differ on. How is that not relevant?
The progressive left hates white identitarians, deeply, and has done a lot of concrete harm to individual white identitarians by doxing and canceling people. We can explain this hatred by pointing to the numerous deeply-held ideological differences between them. And yet somehow, despite all that, both groups are still really the same because... the white-identity right isn't powerful enough to actually implement the policies they want? That's bordering on a non-sequitur.
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It's funny, I was about to go on a whole rant that would have probably gotten me banned and you probably saved my ass.
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