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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 26, 2022

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One proposed mechanism I saw online about 5 years ago was the claim that, throughout history, men underfed women in their patriarchal society, resulting in women being undernourished and thus weaker than men on average and in the extremes. It seemed to subscribe to a Lamarkian-esque view of evolution except descent along sex instead of actual parentage, and also seemed pretty ahistorical with respect to the level of nutrition people used to get in the past. I wish I had saved it somewhere, because it was a really fascinating and deranged idea

Ooh, ooh (raises hand). Was it from Charlie Stross? I didn't bring that to The Motte's attention until last year, but you might have first seen it in the wild.

and I recall it being passed around approvingly within my circles.

And now I'm wondering if it wasn't Stross, but rather you saw the same idea independently invented elsewhere. Even on his own blog, full of left-wing fans, Stross was getting pushback, and about the closest thing he got to approval was the idea that, if we see sexual selection when women insist on marrying taller husbands, that might not quite be the same as women being underfed but it still ought to count as patriarchy too.

It was indeed not Stross, at least I don't recall it being someone by that name. It was a tweet thread online by some woman I had never heard of before or since. It does seem that the concept was largely the same as that 3rd bullet point in the post you linked, though the Twitter thread I'd read expanded on it quite a bit more, including explicitly making the claim instead of the implausible-deniability-language of "Consider, for example, that a restricted diet stunts growth, and that average adult stature tracks food availability by a generation or three, and ask why men are, on average, taller than women" that tries unconvincingly to make a claim without taking responsibility for it. The fact that the thread was passed along approvingly within my circles is likely more a reflection of how niche and extreme my circles were than anything.

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