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It’s not a good solution. These people’s children will still be US citizens from birth, even if they stay in New York and California they will still vote and their vote will count in the house and for the presidency. They will still take welfare and other resources from contributing taxpayers. The disproportionately high amounts of crime they and their descendants commit will still affect you and your own family. Deporting them to New York achieves nothing.
So what? Assuming they vote Democrat (and you know what they say about assumptions) They'll be voting in New York and California isn't going to change the electoral calculus all that much.
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This is obviously incorrect on multiple fronts. Aside from assisting those who are seeking sanctuary being the morally correct course of action from a good Christian perspective, it helps Abbott politally by being seen to take his his constituents concerns seriously and it helps the Democrats by giving them what they want.
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Deporting them to New York means the average New Yorker who didn't give a damn when it was a bunch of rednecks down West and South of them dealing with this crap now sees it on their doorstep, and goes to put pressure on their congresscritter about it. Like I said, AOC is very conspicuously not crying in front of the migrant tent city in Brooklyn, whereas she had no problem flying down to Texas to do a photo-op about it. And Mayor Adams is having no problems doing Bad Evil Wicked Things like evicting poor homeless refugees once their time in official shelters is up.
Congresscritters then put pressure on government, which sees it can start cracking down at least some without being pilloried for it, as congresscritters will report back to their constituents that they are indeed Doing Something.
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